Prostitution - your stance

[krooton]

I'd be surprised to see how many of the women would do it, if they didn't get paid.

There are plenty of slappers in this country who will sleep with random blokes for free, why does charging suddenly make it them being exploited?

As for people having issues with the "selling of their bodies" aspect, people doing jobs in any physical labour are essentially selling their bodies as well.

 

[edscdk]

Stance? Wouldn't that be stand and bang?



Society doesn't need prostitutes, make the providers legal and the users illegal. It's the people who provide the demand who are mainly in the wrong here.

we dont need fast food outlets, cars, doctors, hospitals, schools, supermarkets planes medicine, roads or powerstations either... get rid of them as well?

I don't see anyone being in the wrong the hookers or the punters.... its only the stupid hookers / dangerous punters that cause an issue..

 

[Freefaller]

I think prostitution denigrates women in the eyes of men. It objectifies them and has an impact on how all women are viewed.

I am against it.

I agree entirely with your comments - however, I also think it only denigrates women if viewed a certain way. Sometimes sex should just be viewed as a fun activity rather than the whole emotional/connecting with the person/romantic side of things. Sometimes sex is just a physical want and need that 2 people need.

However, what about the male equivalents? How do you feel about that?

 

[godinman]

Snip.

That sums up my feelings pretty well and saves me having to try and articulate thoughts.

 

[elmarko]

There are plenty of slappers in this country who will sleep with random blokes for free, why does charging suddenly make it them being exploited?

Because sleeping with a random bloke because they want to isn't the same as sleeping with a random bloke because they live in abject poverty & needs money.

If you can't tell the difference between the two then I doubt this conversation will be of much use.

As for people having issues with the "selling of their bodies" aspect, people doing jobs in any physical labour are essentially selling their bodies as well.

It's not the same.

People care about who they have intercourse with (on average), people don't tend to have such reservations as to who they move objects for (be it bricks, plates or other manual labour jobs).

They are not comparable.

You have also not addressed my point, is it OK - in your opinion - for a rich man to go-to poverty ridden Africa & offer food to starving women in exchange for sex?.

By your logic it's exactly the same as going to Africa & offering 50 people jobs.

Or is it actually quite different?.

 

[Stelly]

On the corner??

Stelly

 

[krooton]

Because sleeping with a random bloke because they want to isn't the same as sleeping with a random bloke because they live in abject poverty & needs money.

If you can't tell the difference between the two then I doubt this conversation will be of much use.

It's not the same.

People care about who they have intercourse with (on average), people don't tend to have such reservations as to who they move objects for (be it bricks, plates or other manual labour jobs).

They are not comparable.

You have also not addressed my point, is it OK - in your opinion - for a rich man to go-to poverty ridden Africa & offer food to starving women in exchange for sex?.

By your logic it's exactly the same as going to Africa & offering 50 people jobs.

Or is it actually quite different?.

I'm talking about it working as an actual regulated service, obviously not the exploitation of those in abject poverty.

Perhaps something like having to get a 'hooking licence' before you can practice.

 

[regulus]

Personally I wouldn't use it due to the great elevated risk of STD's and not really finding it a particular turn to pay for it. However, have no issues with it.

 

[MooMoo444]

Depends on the girl, whether I support it or not.

 

[edscdk]

People care about who they have intercourse with (on average), people don't tend to have such reservations as to who they move objects for (be it bricks, plates or other manual labour jobs).

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for women maybe, unless in a relationship I think most men would poke any female they considered pretty.. or had nice boobs or ass... infact the relationship bit is usually not too important either..

 

[elmarko]

I'm talking about it working as an actual regulated service, obviously not the exploitation of those in abject poverty.

Perhaps something like having to get a 'hooking licence' before you can practice.

If methods could be put in place to protect vulnerable people, then I'd have no problem.

My objections have nothing to do with the taboo element, just that objectively most prostitutes are women from broken homes, drug addicts, living in poverty & usually pushed into it by another.

The same does apply to most adult material, which is why I'd support a boom in the exhibitionist genre (ethical pr0n in a sense) without money being involved at all.

for women maybe, unless in a relationship I think most men would poke any female they considered pretty.. or had nice boobs or ass... infact the relationship bit is usually not too important either..

You have already added a qualifier - "any female they considered pretty", do you think most men who use prostitutes are 25 year old adonises with perfect manly bodies & looks which could break hearts?, or fat old bald git's with more money than charm?.

 

[robgmun]

Not used one myself but wouldn't have a problem with having to.

This, and it would be something I'd do if i want to try something i no regular girlfriend would normally try.

Bit like going to a restaurant, i would order something that it would be difficult for me to make at home, no point paying for something you can make in 10mins

 

[crinkleshoes]

Should come out of the shadows & be regulated.

It would be the benefit of both the "John"s and the working girls themselves... Netherlands is a good example.

I'd struggle to bring myself to partake, but I see nothing wrong with it. Certainly nothing "morally wrong" - it's morally wrong to tell two people what they can and cannot do in private.

If someone wants to pay for it & someone else is willing to accept money for it - that is wholly and completely their business and no-one elses.

 

[elmarko]

Should come out of the shadows & be regulated.

It would be the benefit of both the "John"s and the working girls themselves... Netherlands is a good example.

I'd struggle to bring myself to partake, but I see nothing wrong with it. Certainly nothing "morally wrong" - it's morally wrong to tell two people what they can and cannot do in private.

If someone wants to pay for it & someone else is willing to accept money for it - that is wholly and completely their business and no-one elses.

So offering homeless people money for sex is not morally wrong?.

I see....

You seem to lack an appreciation for the difference between informed consent & coercion.

 

[ntg]

[As far as UK and the western world is concerned]
[stirring controversy initiated]

ITT: people who think all people who are prostituting do it because they "need" the money.

This just in: In July 2012, people who are prostituting themselves do it because they want to afford a certain lifestyle with (what they feel is) minimum effort. The amount of people who end up becoming prostitutes out of abject poverty has been shrinking (this is not the Victorian times), and while one may find themselves in that position initially, the proceeds of the profession are so lucrative that those who continue doing it do it because they want the money - not because they need it.

Go to Amsterdam, have a look at some of the hookers there. They are young good looking girls, do you think they live in abject poverty? do you think they can't find jobs? Well, I guess a 9-5 minimum wage doesn't sit down very well when you can make the same amount of money in 20mins.

 

[robgmun]

So offering homeless people money for sex is not morally wrong?.

I see....

You seem to lack an appreciation for the difference between informed consent & coercion.

You probably thinking of a cliqued old hagged street walker with a drug problem, bruises all over her body, torn clothing, and a pimp that beats her most nights. Most people that would consider paying for sex are thinking about the professional escorts instead of hookers.

 

[crinkleshoes]

So offering homeless people money for sex is not morally wrong?.

I see....

You seem to lack an appreciation for the difference between informed consent & coercion.

People will be abused whether it's legal or not... make it legal and those people have a chance to get out of the gutter instead of being arrested!

Then the majority of those involved will also not risk jail.

Regulate like Netherlands - it's a good example

You seem to lack common sense

 

[timebomb26]

My thoughts on the subject have pretty much all been covered by other people.

In regards to actually using one myself, I wouldn't. Unless it was one of those ridiculously expensive, smoking hot high class escorts.

 

[elmarko]

[As far as UK and the western world is concerned]
[stirring controversy initiated]

ITT: people who think all people who are prostituting do it because they "need" the money.

This just in: In July 2012, people who are prostituting themselves do it because they want to afford a certain lifestyle with (what they feel is) minimum effort. The amount of people who end up becoming prostitutes out of abject poverty has been shrinking (this is not the Victorian times), and while one may find themselves in that position initially, the proceeds of the profession are so lucrative that those who continue doing it do it because they want the money - not because they need it.

Evidence please.

Go to Amsterdam, have a look at some of the hookers there. They are young good looking girls, do you think they live in abject poverty? do you think they can't find jobs? Well, I guess a 9-5 minimum wage doesn't sit down very well when you can make the same amount of money in 20mins.

Evidence please.

Sounds more like an argument to improve the minimum wage than anything.

 

[crinkleshoes]

You probably thinking of a cliqued old hagged street walker with a drug problem, bruises all over her body, torn clothing, and a pimp that beats her most nights. Most people that would consider paying for sex are thinking about the professional escorts instead of hookers.

Plus the latter would be even more of a dying breed with regulation...