ps3, 360 and folding at home.

[ElRazur]

I found this article, which imo makes an interesting read. However, aint both of them trying to generate PR via this? Im getting sick of all of these bickering btw comapnies and what not.
Couple of questions, how would this shows that one machine has a stronge cpu than the other?

SCEA boss Jack Tretton has questioned whether Xbox 360 has enough power to take part in a Folding@Home-style initiative - saying he'd be "very disappointed" if the company is just seeking out good PR.

Folding@Home enables multiple, connected PlayStation 3s to calculate data which is used in medical research at Stanford University. As reported earlier this month, Xbox boss Peter Moore suggested Microsoft may be interested in launching a similar initiative, stating, "If we truly believe that we can in some way marshal the resources of a much larger installed base of Xbox 360 owners, with a processor that's of equal power to the PS3, then you have my commitment that we'll look at that."

Speaking to GamePro, Tretton questioned Microsoft's intentions: "Let's face it, if your motivation is for PR, to me, that's a little shallow. We go out of our way, correctly so, to make sure that we don't try to sell PS3s on Folding@Home.

"I think to look at it as a marketing platform is something that a company certainly wouldn't want to do. I'm certainly not insinuating that's Microsoft's motivation, but I'm not even sure how relevant it is to what we're doing. Would they be even having this conversation if we weren't doing it? I don't know."

Tretton went on to query whether Xbox 360 is even powerful enough to take part in such a project, stating, "I would guess that the medical community would take help from anywhere they could get it, but the commentary that I heard is that Stanford isn't sure that [the Xbox 360's processing abilities] would help them very much. Which is odd to me because if it helped at all, it seems like they would welcome it with open arms.

"It's really ugly territory to get into, but let's take fighting a disease and see if we can get some credit for that," he continued.

"It's not a cool game to play one way or the other so I don't want to even give the impression that that's our motivation, and I'd be very disappointed if they're looking for PR value or to try to suck off some of the goodwill that we're doing."
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[Nzyme]

my dont you go interrogate them rambo and find out

 

[aceface57]

I think this has been discussed a few times in distrubuted computing, i presonally think if the xbox 360 wanted to do any kind of folding they would make use of the ati graphics card. Some ati graphics cards are already being used for folding on pc's and perform very well. I think i would have to read up a bit more before i can comment on how it would perform against a ps3 though. I do think it's all for PR though.

 

[KNiVES]

The 'it's as powerful as Cell' comment smacks of PR. Shallow and disgusting on MS's part.

 

[chimaera]

We go out of our way, correctly so, to make sure that we don't try to sell PS3s on Folding@Home.

Thats absolute tosh, how many times have we seen in the media...

"PS3 equal to supercomputing"
"PS3 can equal the power of 3000 medical computers"
"PS3 can run SETI faster than any home PC"

At the end of the day who cares about folding@home on their console, it wont sell more than a handfull of consoles worldwide on that fact alone as most folders are PC geeks, a couple might buy a PS3 for the folding but hardly any.

Your average console owner cares more about their quarterly power bill than folding@home, i doubt many PS3 owners will run it when they realise how much power the machine at full steam is eating up...its dead money.

I'm getting seriosuly fed up of this competition between Sony and MS over something so insignificant, its pathetic really.

The 'it's as powerful as Cell' comment smacks of PR. Shallow and disgusting on MS's part.

How many times have Sony yakked on about how powerfull the Cell processor is? and how if you network then its the xth most powerful supercomputer on the planet.

The emotion engine?

To be honest they're both as ego bloated as the other.

 

[Mr Men]

Sony crying as usual, poor things, getting pounded in all markets so try to talk about anything but poor console sales.....if MS never had Live would Sony "online does not matter" have PSN.....

 

[V4NT0M]

I really dont understand how the xbox 'may not be powerful enough', people run folding@home on 100MHz PCs ffs...

Tretton went on to query whether Xbox 360 is even powerful enough to take part in such a project, stating, "I would guess that the medical community would take help from anywhere they could get it, but the commentary that I heard is that Stanford isn't sure that [the Xbox 360's processing abilities] would help them very much. Which is odd to me because if it helped at all, it seems like they would welcome it with open arms.

lol... He definitley knows how to spin it...

Btw... I'm sick of reading all this toddle and blatant PR exercises of sony saying and doing anything they can to trash MS whether its based in fact or not... I refuse to believe there is not at least some similar things coming from MS, but I've never seen any, is MS keeping a clean nose?

Sony's tactics really get my back up lately.

 

[msmalls74]

To be honest most of the info about how good the Cell is at processing the data for folding has actually come from Stanford themselves and the Press. I know its in there interest too keep Sony onside as the more PS3's folding the faster they get there results. Microsoft maybe are jumping on the bandwagon, as long as it helps things for the Folding project, does it matter? Anyway how hard the PS3 work when folding wouldnt like to to trust a 360 to be kept running for days on end!
One thing i read a while ago is that Sony wants to extend the distributed Computing projects into commercial areas where say a new drug is tested for a pharmaceutical company. Instead of them taking a lot of their own CPU power to test and model the drug Sony will "sell" computing power to the company in order to do it for them. If you choose to help you will receive credits for doing so maybe PS store money, money off vouchers etc.

 

[Margaret]

Gotta love the Gamespot forums about this issue with Folding, so many posts about how the Cell is so much more advanced than the 360 and that they're glad to have a PS3 because of it.

Funny really, because so far there's sod all different between the machines graphically or well the PS3 doesn't exactly do anything yet the 360 can't, 360already has the immense looking Gears of War I do wonder when the PS3 will get games looking just as good or better. You'd think there would be some kinda raw difference, I mean if I will quote one Gamespot poster, "cell processor is so much beter than the 360s ppc tri core id much rather have my ps3 cus of that"

Not like I'd use my PS3 for folding specifically maybe now and then but if the 360 can't run it I can't say I'd care less, it's a gaming optimized machine afterall.

 

[msmalls74]

I really dont understand how the xbox 'may not be powerful enough', people run folding@home on 100MHz PCs ffs...

lol... He definitley knows how to spin it...

Btw... I'm sick of reading all this toddle and blatant PR exercises of sony saying and doing anything they can to trash MS whether its based in fact or not... I refuse to believe there is not at least some similar things coming from MS, but I've never seen any, is MS keeping a clean nose?

Sony's tactics really get my back up lately.

They all do it ! how bout when Microsoft do the same? Does that get you're back up to? Think Sony should get old Jose on board, he really knows how to wind people up

 

[V4NT0M]

They all do it ! how bout when Microsoft do the same? Does that get you're back up to? Think Sony should get old Jose on board, he really knows how to wind people up

Thats what i'm saying, I cant believe MS dont do it, but i've never seen any evidence of it.

 

[msmalls74]

Thats what i'm saying, I cant believe MS dont do it, but i've never seen any evidence of it.

Heres a few
When they on ps3's launch with the "xbox360 luvs you" ship
When they sent beer to gaming blogs and sites saying that "you could get a 360 and this much beer for the price of a ps3"
When they purposely gave out chairs with xbox360 logos to people who waited at the ps3 launch in europe.
When peter moore recently said "ps3 IS dreamcast"
When microsoft said that ps3 only has "shooters"
When microsoft europe began desperately badmouthing the ps3 the entire week of ps3's europe launch.
When shane kim gave his "I hate home" speech.
When Peter Moore said he wasnt worried about "failures and just to talk about repairs" Quote. He said that people dont mind if there console breaks down aslong as you get a good repair and customer service, partly true but i rather it didnt break down.

 

[chimaera]

When they sent beer to gaming blogs and sites saying that "you could get a 360 and this much beer for the price of a ps3"
When they purposely gave out chairs with xbox360 logos to people who waited at the ps3 launch in europe.

I think those are actually very clever PR moves, Sony is capable of doing the same but lately its been more propaganda BS than good PR.

They're both as bad as each other, but in my eyes Sony have generally stooped to a new low each time, to which MS feel compelled to match.

The only company to have any credibility this gen is nintendo, and they're not even doing any PR! Sony and MS are bickering like schoolgirls while Nintendo slowly rack up millions more sales each month, all on the back of a few TV commercials and word of mouth.

 

[V4NT0M]

When they on ps3's launch with the "xbox360 luvs you" ship
When they sent beer to gaming blogs and sites saying that "you could get a 360 and this much beer for the price of a ps3"
When they purposely gave out chairs with xbox360 logos to people who waited at the ps3 launch in europe.

Lol thay're brilliant.

And screenshots or it didnt happen.

 

[Nismo]

And screenshots or it didnt happen.

Just Google, they were quite real PR stunts.

 

[msmalls74]

Lol thay're brilliant.

And screenshots or it didnt happen.

Just look at some of the news on games site about that time. Not really sure there brilliant, more childish if you ask me though. Who knows what would have been said if Sony had stooped so low.

 

[Mr Men]

Just look at some of the news on games site about that time. Not really sure there brilliant, more childish if you ask me though. Who knows what would have been said if Sony had stooped so low.

Oh Sony poked fun at Dreamcast long before anyone dared mock them, they set their stall out from the start....

 

[Manlove is my forte]

Heres a few
When they on ps3's launch with the "xbox360 luvs you" ship
When they sent beer to gaming blogs and sites saying that "you could get a 360 and this much beer for the price of a ps3"
When they purposely gave out chairs with xbox360 logos to people who waited at the ps3 launch in europe.
When peter moore recently said "ps3 IS dreamcast"
When microsoft said that ps3 only has "shooters"
When microsoft europe began desperately badmouthing the ps3 the entire week of ps3's europe launch.
When shane kim gave his "I hate home" speech.
When Peter Moore said he wasnt worried about "failures and just to talk about repairs" Quote. He said that people dont mind if there console breaks down aslong as you get a good repair and customer service, partly true but i rather it didnt break down.

IMo the difference between MS and Sony PR is MS is very tongue in cheek and quite cheeky tbh. Sony are deceitful and telling outright lies and even using 360 Screen shots to promote their products (time and time again)

 

[JUMPURS]

He should just have been a bitch about it and said 'Yeah the 360 may be able to do it, not as fast as the PS3, but at the same time, MS don't want to have to replace even more xbox 360's than they already have to just now when they melt'

 

[JUMPURS]

Thats absolute tosh, how many times have we seen in the media...

"PS3 equal to supercomputing"
"PS3 can equal the power of 3000 medical computers"
"PS3 can run SETI faster than any home PC"

Yeap that is the media selling it that way, not Sony.