PS3 - Fedora Linux installed on a PS3

Yeap...some one have already statrted running emulations..(wont go into details - was removed the last time)..... :)
 
I thought the PS3 came with a Linux (Yellow Dog?) backend anyway, so really this shouldn't come as much of a surprise.
 
ElRazur said:
Yeap...some one have already statrted running emulations..(wont go into details - was removed the last time)..... :)
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The thing is that SONY has allowed the installation of alternative OSs and will actively support one of the Linux iterations so it should not fall under improper use of the hardware. I will be very dissappointed if the thread is removed.

You will see from the video that it is actually part of the PS3 OS that allows for a dual boot setup. Hardly something to be perceived as illegal, altho I can understand using emulation software with illegal roms, that I don't condone.
 
Nismo said:
I thought the PS3 came with a Linux (Yellow Dog?) backend anyway, so really this shouldn't come as much of a surprise.
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Yeah I'm pretty sure you are right. It opens up a whole new range of functionality. Maybe even a few steps closer to actually being a central home entertainment unit?
 
SteveOBHave said:
You will see from the video that it is actually part of the PS3 OS that allows for a dual boot setup. Hardly something to be perceived as illegal,
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The thing is that if generally is illegal, as having a dual boot system often allows you to bypass the built in copyright protection, something which has been deemed illegal through previous court cases.
 
Davey_Pitch said:
The thing is that if generally is illegal, as having a dual boot system often allows you to bypass the built in copyright protection, something which has been deemed illegal through previous court cases.
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I understand that, but it's a fairly circumstantial argument. It's like if someone left their front door unlocked, does that immediately make it required that I go in and steal stuff? Of course it doesn't, but it also doesn't make it wrong to leave my front door unlocked either.

Let's make it abundantly clear, this is not a discussion on emulation or hacking or using the PS3 as it was not meant to be used, this is about a recognized and legit functionality of the unit.
 
SteveOBHave said:
I understand that, but it's a fairly circumstantial argument. It's like if someone left their front door unlocked, does that immediately make it required that I go in and steal stuff? Of course it doesn't, but it also doesn't make it wrong to leave my front door unlocked either.
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It's not circumstancial at all, it was defined by courts in the US (which will be upheld here) that if you modify your console in any way to bypass the copyright protection, you're breaking the law, irrespective of whether you actually use it for that purpose. It may not be something I agree with, but it's the law nonetheless.

Let's make it abundantly clear, this is not a discussion on emulation or hacking or using the PS3 as it was not meant to be used, this is about a recognized and legit functionality of the unit.
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Have Sony given this the all-clear then? If so, I would assume that they've locked down the copyright protection in some way so that this has no effect on it. Interesting move by Sony, not sure how appealing it would be to Joe Public though.
 
What I don't understand is how once you've got it to start Linux, you can get back into the PS3 OS? When you select default system in the options is this just a one-time-only thing and then it reverts back to PS3 on the next reboot?

I notice the chap in the video didn't start any programs up either. I guess there aren't drivers yet for network, video and sound.
 
ic1male said:
What I don't understand is how once you've got it to start Linux, you can get back into the PS3 OS? When you select default system in the options is this just a one-time-only thing and then it reverts back to PS3 on the next reboot?

I notice the chap in the video didn't start any programs up either. I guess there aren't drivers yet for network, video and sound.
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I would assume that it would automatically come back to the SP3 startup menu as you see in the video, and you'd have to tell it to start in the alternative OS - this is only assumption tho.

...modify your console in any way to bypass the copyright protection, you're breaking the law...
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Oh well, lets hope that SONY have that base covered.

Have Sony given this the all-clear then?
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I believe that they have sanctioned a number of different functionalities for the machine and provided a fairly extensive software support system for that. They have also created something similar to Microsofts XNA dev tools for home devs. Truth be told, I'm a little dubious as to how much this will be utilised, but every little bit helps.

I will see if I can find some linkies

EDIT: Linkie: http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/entertainment/ps3s-cell-chip-can-run-osx-115881.php
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3#Linux

Wikipedia said:
PS3 Linux
Originally Sony stated that they were going to pre-install Linux on the PS3's hard drive, but current units shipping do not include Linux preinstalled. Instead, Sony has made an option in the XMB menu to install other operating systems. Installation of an operating system is achieved by going to Settings > System Settings > Install Other OS. When installation is complete, the startup operating system can be changed.[65] Sony has set up a web page which will list compatible operating systems.[4]

On October 17, 2006, a month before the console release, Terrasoft announced a version of Yellow Dog Linux for PlayStation 3.[66] Terrasoft will be using the PS3 for their own supercomputing clusters as well. Yellow Dog Linux 5.0 is already listed in Terrasoft's store, for US$50 including a printed manual and DVDs for sources and pre-compiled applications;[67] the applications include recent versions of the Linux kernel, the GNU Compiler Collection, Firefox, and OpenOffice.org.[68] According to Ars Technica, Yellow Dog Linux 5.0 will be made publicly available two weeks after the console's launch. Terrasoft stated the installer "enables absolutely anyone to install without instruction." Yellow Dog Linux 5.0 integrates code from the Barcelona Supercomputing Center, Sony, and Red Hat's Fedora Core 5.
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SiD the Turtle said:
There's something slightly bizarre about installing Linux on a 600 dollar machine.
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Because it is free? Linux is rapidly becoming as versatile as any other OS out there and a hell of a lot less bloated. Gone are the days when you had to grep and pipe your way around a linux terminal - altho you still can with ease.
 
SteveOBHave said:
Because it is free? Linux is rapidly becoming as versatile as any other OS out there and a hell of a lot less bloated. Gone are the days when you had to grep and pipe your way around a linux terminal - altho you still can with ease.
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Nah what I mean is if I want to install Linux, I'll stick it on a box that costs a lot less that $600 as Linux can run on just about anything. Apart from the 'we'll install Linux on it because we can' crowd who go about installing Linux on every console that comes out for fun, I don't see the need to stick it on a PS3.
 
because people who want a games console could get rid of there PC saving space and a bit of cash , and still use basic computer functions like internet and word processing etc ?
 
SiD the Turtle said:
Nah what I mean is if I want to install Linux, I'll stick it on a box that costs a lot less that $600 as Linux can run on just about anything. Apart from the 'we'll install Linux on it because we can' crowd who go about installing Linux on every console that comes out for fun, I don't see the need to stick it on a PS3.
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Similarly to you I'm not really of the let's do it for the hell of it crowd either, but if it adds extra functionality, why not. If it allows me to control my home theater (such as it is) and provides a cool interface for playing BDs and the likes. The ability to jump online and find out when the next episode of Lost is on from the TV guides? Read my e-mails, messaging, customise my interface. Many things that I can't think of, but I think the main one for me might be something along the lines of future added functionality. Allowing me to make it more as the need presents itself. My perception of the PS3 box becomes more than just a 'games console' and the ease of doing it at my personal whim is a pretty strong selling point for me.
 
I think it's pretty cool. In fact I'd say linux could potentially make a bigger impact to the general population on a fixed spec machine like the PS3 than it ever has on the PC. Since it's fixed spec the distro providers can have all the necessary drivers and stuff pre-installed, so it will be easy for most people to use. I found the difficult with linux was the initial set up and finding all the drivers and software you need.
 
Davey_Pitch said:
The thing is that if generally is illegal, as having a dual boot system often allows you to bypass the built in copyright protection, something which has been deemed illegal through previous court cases.
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I hope you meant to specify consoles - and even then a console is only a low tech ( in one sense) pc and the boot options have nothing to do with copy protection - a basic os can be run from cd which would in essence dual boot but in no way illegal......probably completely misunderstanding you
 
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