PS3 vs 360 : A developers POV

"andy" · 17 Jan 2007 at 20:39

web browser , media player without having to own another pc to stream from, open office , can easily upgrade the HDD for a sensible price etc

those simple things make it much more appealing to me as i generally get bored of just gaming .

if my 360 could have done those things maybe id of kept it

wannabedamned · 18 Jan 2007 at 00:10

Joebob said:
Oooh, y'couldn't resist could you?

haha, I really couldn't.

FrankJH · 18 Jan 2007 at 08:17

wannabedamned said:
Yeah i know next gen consoles are designed as multimedia systems, But it will always be firstly and foremost a gaming machine, I mean come on. If it didnt play games, would you buy it?

I think you have hit the nail on the head there

The X360 is primarily a gaming machine - any unit you pick up without any addons can only play games ( yes it can play dvd's too but I think most people will have a dedicated dvd player by now) and no getting away from it it does this role well (not to my taste admittedly, I have had one unused for 6 months, but its still a good console)

The PS3 isnt just a games machine though - yes people on here are primarily interested in this angle of its capabilities but the general public will see it in a lot more shops etc as a movie player, home server, even just a media centre and while I think its still too highly priced (and its to be seen whether its a good multi-roler but master of none, or a knockout blow for either side) while some games really interest me personally I think its main advantages over the X360 are its a/v abilities in general rather than specific to gaming.

Only the future will tell us - but I think the market place is big enough for both units to be a real success (not on the level of the PS2 though by any means)

Smit · 18 Jan 2007 at 08:57

FrankJH said:
The PS3 isnt just a games machine though - yes people on here are primarily interested in this angle of its capabilities but the general public will see it in a lot more shops etc as a movie player, home server, even just a media centre and while I think its still too highly priced (and its to be seen whether its a good multi-roler but master of none, or a knockout blow for either side) while some games really interest me personally I think its main advantages over the X360 are its a/v abilities in general rather than specific to gaming.

Only the future will tell us - but I think the market place is big enough for both units to be a real success (not on the level of the PS2 though by any means)

I disagree. The general public will see the PS3 in Gaming shops, also in the shops that sell more of a variety of items the PS3 will be sitting with the rest of the game consoles. Hence the general public will see it first and foremost as a games console.

Also the general public is used to the brand Playstation so they will see it as a gaming machine nothing else unless they actually know the technical sides of it which lets face it, the general public do not care about technical aspects.

dirtydog · 18 Jan 2007 at 09:37

wannabedamned said:
I think the OPS need to start getting strict.

This console forum is becoming a shambles.

'becoming'? It's been a shambles for a very long time

There is more maturity demonstrated in the average kindergarten.

Don't people ever get tired of the same old PS3-bashing Groundhog Day, over and over? Obviously not.

Mr Latte · 18 Jan 2007 at 09:57

Joebob said:
So kronologic, you must own a PS3 then to be able to comment about jaggies, slowdown and tearing on it? I have not noticed any of this on mine!

I dont own one neither but have read several reports from reputable websites of how bad the jaggies are on emulated games with no upscaling being applied or some form of software AA applied.

Jaggies are even noticable on gameplay shots of GT-HD which is 1920x1080 so its not just emulated games. Chances are like 360 more games will goto 720 res and include 2x or 4x AA to sort this, give the progrmmers time. Heck they may even be able to achieve 1080 with 2x AA.

Slowdown was announced to be aparent on COD3 which isnt any wonder on a first gen title that has very busy battle scenes.

Tearing i hanvt read a lot on and cant comment on this but its possible some games have it just like 360 has loads of early titles that suffered from it. This could also be a problem related to certain models/brands of TVs and the settings used on the video output.

Mr Latte · 18 Jan 2007 at 10:04

JUMPURS said:
They are barely doing it now and this is 3rd gen games we are on. How much time do they need to impliment 4x AA?.

I think Forza 2 may be one of the most technical games on 360 when it appears.

720p with HDR, self shadowing and many more effects
60 Frames achieved
2x AA applied
12x Onscreen cars all with personal decals
12x Multiplayer of course with voice
Damage Modelling
Improved Simulation Physics running @ a developer noted 300+ FPS
Fully customable setups
300 Cars and many with real world components/upgrading customising
Fully supported FFB and Rumble effects
Panaromic Surround Gaming Mode Optional

You could ask Sony how much time it will take them to achieve that with GT?
In my books for a 2nd gen title Forza 2 should be pretty impressive.

JUMPURS · 18 Jan 2007 at 10:12

Mr Latte said:
I think Forza 2 may be one of the most technical games on 360 when it appears.

720p with HDR, self shadowing and many more effects
60 Frames achieved
2x AA applied
12x Onscreen cars all with personal decals
12x Multiplayer of course with voice
Damage Modelling
Improved Simulation Physics
Fully customable setups
300 Cars and many with real world components/upgrading customising
Fully supported FFB and Rumble effects
Panaromic Surround Gaming Mode Optional

You could ask Sony how much time it will take them to achieve that with GT?
In my books for a 2nd gen title Forza 2 should be pretty impressive.

God you just don't stop with Forza do you?

And only 2xAA. In this day and age? seriously?? ppfft

I thought u got 4xAA with NO performance hit on the 360??
Hmmm maybe all this easy to develop for is just aload of bologne. If even MS can't make use of the 4xAA for 0/little performance hit.

Mr Latte · 18 Jan 2007 at 10:20

Well i think Forza is a title to get excited about as much as GT would be...

Your quering whats keeping programmers in achieveing 4x AA.
I dont know maybe some of the new games will use this but personally at 720p res i dont think 4x AA will add much over 2x AA.

Im not arguing the case of one brand machine is better than the other im stating that i think 360 is seeing quite an increase in quality in its 2nd gen titles.

I could however say to you to remember that Sony announced Motorstorm to be 1080p with 60 FPS. Yet shockingly its only 720p @ 30FPS and loaded with jaggies in the shadows (see 720p videos on playsyde)

Ive pointed out that this title will be in UK store sheves along with Forza 2 and i hope im not appearing biased but isnt it fair to assume on a technical level that well Forza 2 wipes the floor with Motorstorm which doesnt even offer 2 player support but should offer some form of multiplayer (prob 6-8 cars) come the USA and UK versions.

Give credit were credit is due...

JUMPURS · 18 Jan 2007 at 10:22

Mr Latte said:
Well i think Forza is a title to get excited about as much as GT would be...

Your quering whats keeping programmers in achieveing 4x AA.
I dont know maybe some of the new games will use this but personally at 720p res i dont think 4x AA will add much over 2x AA.

Im not arguing the case of one brand machine is better than the other im stating that i think 360 is seeing quite an increase in quality in its 2nd gen titles.

I could however say to you to remember that Sony announced Motorstorm to be 1080p with 60 FPS. Ive pointed out that this title will be in UK store sheves along with Forza 2 and i hope im not appearing biased but isnt it fair to assume on a technical level that well Forza 2 wipes the floor with Motorstorm which doesnt even offer 2 player support but should offer some form of multiplayer (prob 6-8 cars) come the USA and UK versions.

Give credit were credit is due...

But the thing is though it should be free 4xAA so forza should be using it, it is being dev'd by MS. So there isn't any excuse.

And again we are compairing launch titles to titles which are gonna be 18 months into a consoles life.
And no people haven't had the final dev kits for the same length of time, thats a myth. The PS3 actually went through 14 revisions of dev kit. UL: DK which was made by sony only got 12 months dev.

Mr Latte · 18 Jan 2007 at 10:34

JUMPURS said:
But the thing is though it should be free 4xAA so forza should be using it, it is being dev'd by MS. So there isn't any excuse.

And again we are compairing launch titles to titles which are gonna be 18 months into a consoles life.
And no people haven't had the final dev kits for the same length of time, thats a myth. The PS3 actually went through 14 revisions of dev kit. UL: DK which was made by sony only got 12 months dev.

Do you think gamers really care if its 2x or 4x and 4x could already of been used on a title or will be, personally im not that worried. Are GTHD players playing in full 1080p complaining about the jaggies? The PS3 is super computer powerfull yet even a half decent PC will run that res and AA no problem.

Your picking at this because MS said it could be done and so far probably hasnt been done, i dont know. Do you want me to go through how many things Sony said at press conferences would be the case with PS3 but which now are not. Gees people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones mate.

As for development as Bill Gates said himself at CES the 360 will always be a year ahead in development and the console has a lot more to offer just as the PS3 will improve also but development on PS3 has to try and catch up a full year.

Whos fault is this?

McManicMan · 18 Jan 2007 at 10:37

FrankJH said:
but the general public will see it in a lot more shops etc as a movie player, home server, even just a media centre

i also disagree with what you say, most people are only interested in a games console, after all in the end thats all we need at a affordable price

gord · 18 Jan 2007 at 10:54

JUMPURS said:
And again we are compairing launch titles to titles which are gonna be 18 months into a consoles life.

If Sony didnt want that to happen they wouldnt have released their product over a year late. They are going to be compared and legitimately because customers will be looking at what each has to offer right now! Not many general customers will buy on the prospect of having some good games in 18 months..

McManicMan · 18 Jan 2007 at 11:06

What irritates me most with Sony and the PS3 is the way the are going about claiming that the "because" the PS3 is nearly 18months after the 360 release then its automatically the better and more powerfull console, when infact it isn't and is just due to development delays. Previous consoles that have come out from MS or whoever have always been technicially better in the games department but this time its just not true yet Sony continue to harp on that their machine is, to me this is just false advertising to some degree, yeah it may have blu-ray but in the end as a games machine thats all it is and not better "just because its 18months later"

Mr Latte · 18 Jan 2007 at 11:23

Exactly guys...

The problem the PS3 faces is that it is meant to be harder to program for, well it has come under criticisim for its design and the tools support from Sony are not as good as what Microsoft are offering.

Technically we know that the PS3 is not really superior at all and if anything the GPU in the 360 has been mentioned to be better.

So how Sony can come a year or so later with hardware thats about equal but having a design and tools that are harder to get the best out of the machine and yet still expect to not only catch up to the ever evolving development 360 will have but somehow overtake it...

Am I missing something?
If anything continued 360 developement could widen the gap but at least should with most quality developers/studios maintain it.

Microsoft have been very clever and gone to developers to accomodate them more yet in ATI achieved a hardware performance at a price that they said couldnt be bettered and they said this as far back as E3 2006 prior to the machines launch.

Sony can HYPE all they want its the price of the machine and games that will decide the sales of each platform.

NokkonWud · 18 Jan 2007 at 11:24

Arclite said:
Hardly a comparison, more of a biased review!

That was a comparison? Or do you not know what a comparison is? He COMPARED 2 consoles against each other.

Kmodo · 18 Jan 2007 at 11:42

I am a pc gamer and so feel I am neutral

The 360 is clearly the better option, the only reason the sony fanboys do not agree is that it is not a sony product.

Joebob · 18 Jan 2007 at 11:43

Mr Latte said:
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Geesh, I just read all your above posts, and you say I'm biased towards Sony!!!

Mr Latte · 18 Jan 2007 at 12:19

Joebob said:
Geesh, I just read all your above posts, and you say I'm biased towards Sony!!!

Im not biased, yes i clearly prefer X360 at this moment in time, i can have a favourite but i dont go around knocking the PS3 over silly issues. I will give credit to what Microsoft has done with 360 something you seem to never accept. When Sony sort their **** out i will praise them for it.

Anything i have said regards Sony is factual, their price their games, their online the complete BS they continuely announce. The company truly needs new managment and to get off its arse rather than "talking the talk".

The reasons are their to prefer the 360 at this stage, its got more going for it and Microsoft have in most respects delivered, sure they can improve but are they doing a better job than Sony?

On many threads regarding Vs weve yet to see HOW or WHY the PS3 really is better and worthy of the extra cost, something that hasnt beeen made clear by anyone and the reason for this is their isnt any clear reasons.

Blu Ray isnt a factor other than a cool Hi Def movie carrier built into the machine and making the machine cost what it costs, so some will see it as an advantage others will see it as a disadvantage.

For PS3 fans or owners to whinge about the X360 or its games i think they have to look at the PS3 titles and just how long the AAA will be in appearing, with several appearing in 2008. Meanwhile 360 will contine to have its own AAA during this year and with even more games appearing.

As for Forza Vs Motorstorm or F1
Why would i buy a £400 console when i love driving games and it turn out that Forza 2 could be one of the best games in the year and certainly looks to be a lot better than any racing game exclusive on the PS3...

This isnt being biased its preferring what seems to currently be the better platform.

Joebob · 18 Jan 2007 at 12:57

Mr Latte said:
Im not biased...

You are quite clearly biased, you come across as being as Pro MS as they come!

Yeah Sony has problems, but so does the 360... at least with Sony expertise in creating quality consumer electronics (batteries not included

) they aren't releasing a shoddy console to the market only for it to fail a hell of a lot, and I'm sure aren't gonna force firmware updates onto the public only for it to knacker half the consoles out there only for consumers to be charged to get it repaired!!!