PS4 Keyboard & Mouse

[Armadillo]

So I assume anyone using a titan one or similar adapter to use older peripherals or other system controllers is cheating as well, as it's not licensed?

Goalposts just keep moving. According to the other topics we've had on this, keyboard/mouse is cheating, if they were not, they would be officially supported/licensed by Sony.
Wheel/fightstick etc is not, as they are official supported/licensed by Sony and adapters are fine because there is a licensed version of that type of controller.

Now keyboard/mouse is official licensed, and it's now "it's cheating if it's not a crappy one"

 

[insane200]

So I assume anyone using a titan one or similar adapter to use older peripherals or other system controllers is cheating as well, as it's not licensed?

Goalposts just keep moving. According to the other topics we've had on this, keyboard/mouse is cheating, if they were not, they would be official supported/licensed by Sony.
Wheel/fightstick etc is not, as they are official supported/licensed by Sony and adapters are fine because there is a licensed version of that type of controller.

Now keyboard/mouse is official licensed, and it's now "it's cheating if it's not a crappy one"

The advantage with this cheap crap one, is it's about half the size of a fullsize key board, i could make a lap table of something specifically for it and be comfortable and accurate at the same time

Might also make me rage less in BF4

 

[Psycho Sonny]

While this can be an annoying, could we also argue that people who drive on racing sims with a wheel, have an advantage over those using the controller?

Sure this just looks bad, but if people are willing to pay for it, I don't see an issue.

those with additional buttons shouldn't be allowed though which can give advantage.

i play 10 times better with a controller over a steering wheel in racing games, i don't feel it gives any advantage what so ever. i know people on here think a steering wheel is better but i don't think it is at all. i think it's worse than using a controller from my experience and i've used those fancy logitech ones on gran turismo etc.

So I assume anyone using a titan one or similar adapter to use older peripherals or other system controllers is cheating as well, as it's not licensed?

Goalposts just keep moving. According to the other topics we've had on this, keyboard/mouse is cheating, if they were not, they would be official supported/licensed by Sony.

Wheel/fightstick etc is not, as they are official supported/licensed by Sony and adapters are fine because there is a licensed version of that type of controller.

Now keyboard/mouse is official licensed, and it's now "it's cheating if it's not a crappy one"

the xim has backward engineered the controller manipulating the system into thinking it's a ds4.

this is an officially licensed product which works completely differently i imagine.

so even though both are kb and mouse setups one is completely different from the other.

so yeah i would still say xim4 and similar systems are cheating because of the way in which they work and fool the system into thinking it's a ds4 when it's not.

i imagine when you plug this in, the system knows it's a kb and mouse and not a ds4.

 

[Spacedeck]

i play 10 times better with a controller over a steering wheel in racing games, i don't feel it gives any advantage what so ever. i know people on here think a steering wheel is better but i don't think it is at all. i think it's worse than using a controller from my experience and i've used those fancy logitech ones on gran turismo etc.

Well it's good that controllers work for you. I've always preferred the realism of the wheel though. A car game is designed with a wheel in mind, a flight game is designed with a flight stick in mind and due to the way FPS has always had a reputation on the PC, these shooter games are designed with keyboard and mouse in mind.

It's just using the intended device to which the game is usually catered for.

 

[Armadillo]

i imagine when you plug this in, the system knows it's a kb and mouse and not a ds4.

If it's like the tactical commander 3 (ps3 version), then it's the same as xim. System thinks it's a controller, to make it work on all games.

News articles suggest much the same with this "mapping analog sticks" to mouse. Walk button, snipe button (lower sensitivity) and so on. Description is basically identical to the 3, just a ps4 version. Even has a touch pad on it for full compatiblity.

It's a just crappy, but officially licensed keyboard/mouse adapter.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Well it's good that controllers work for you. I've always preferred the realism of the wheel though. A car game is designed with a wheel in mind, a flight game is designed with a flight stick in mind and due to the way FPS has always had a reputation on the PC, these shooter games are designed with keyboard and mouse in mind.

It's just using the intended device to which the game is usually catered for.

shows how much you know.

console games aren't designed with kb and mouse in mind that is why most fps games on consoles have an aim assist even in online modes. whereas pc games don't. it's to compensate for the fact controllers aren't as precise as mice in their movement.

it's why the xim requires custom profiles for each individual game on a console whereas you don't need to do that on a pc.

also controllers have deadzones, mouse and kb don't.

 

[Spacedeck]

shows how much you know.

console games aren't designed with kb and mouse in mind that is why most fps games on consoles have an aim assist even in online modes. whereas pc games don't. it's to compensate for the fact controllers aren't as precise as mice in their movement.

it's why the xim requires custom profiles for each individual game on a console whereas you don't need to do that on a pc.

also controllers have deadzones, mouse and kb don't.

Then it can be argued that every console release is based on console controls, which it probably is, so then all other control methods shouldn't be released.

My point was that FPS games are primarily known for being best played with with a keyboard and mouse on a PC, rather than a controller on a console.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Then it can be argued that every console release is based on console controls, which it probably is, so then all other control methods shouldn't be released.

My point was that FPS games are primarily known for being best played with with a keyboard and mouse on a PC, rather than a controller on a console.

when you have pro console players playing in a tournament like ESL on a fps game what do they use?

things like scuf controllers are allowed xim definetely isn't.

 

[mid_gen]

Console shooters are designed for controllers, to suggest otherwise is ridiculous!

The telemetry from a mouse is fundamentally different to that from a controller. These adapters are having to do various translations to try and make it feel like it's accepting native mouse input, but it will never be the same. There'll be a hard limit for turn speed for starters.

 

[Spacedeck]

when you have pro console players playing in a tournament like ESL on a fps game what do they use?

things like scuf controllers are allowed xim definetely isn't.

Regardless of the controller method used by them, it isn't a secret that FPS on a console is classes as inferior to the PC. Simply because as you said, the PC's controls have so much more going for them.

This doesn't always come down to the controller method used either. You could have someone grab a keyboard and mouse setup on the PS4, which may help him improve, but he will always be destroyed by the pro controller player.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Regardless of the controller method used by them, it isn't a secret that FPS on a console is classes as inferior to the PC. Simply because as you said, the PC's controls have so much more going for them.

This doesn't always come down to the controller method used either. You could have someone grab a keyboard and mouse setup on the PS4, which may help him improve, but he will always be destroyed by the pro controller player.

i've already explained that above.

give a crap player an xim and he still plays crap doesn't mean he isn't cheating.

if xim's were legit then they would be allowed in pro tournies because scuf controllers are allowed.

why are they allowed yet xim's aren't? because they have been deemed to be unfair/cheating.

 

[Armadillo]

why are they allowed yet xim's aren't? because they have been deemed to be unfair/cheating.

Because scuf sponser half the teams.

Scufs were not originally allowed at mlg (way back), then they started to sponser team/events and suddenly they were allowed. Plenty of weapons are banned at tournaments as well, cheating to use them outside one?
Funny enough, the razor onza (competitor to scuf) was banned under a flimsy excuse.


You lot need to stop moving the goalposts. Accept it, Sony has made their position clear on these types of adapters by licensing one.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

they ban weapons deemed OP to make the game fairer. more about skill rather than abusing the engine/mechanics.

i posted about that in the destiny thread for example a lot of pro players either play 1 thorn per team or no thorns. no final round snipers and no heavy weapons.

all of those weapons are deemed low skill to use and very easy to kill someone without much skill involved.

that is why certain weapons get banned.

if it were me at pro tournies i would ban scuf controllers too tbh as they give an unfair advantage to those not using one and is probably why they were banned before they started sponsoring the tournies/players.

i don't believe this hori device is anywhere near as good as an xim, therefore if it's officially licensed it's probably fair game.

that is the line if it's officially licensed by sony then it's fair game. no goalposts being moved or anything. if it's not officially licensed by sony or the game itself (that 1 game that used those controllers worth £150 where you controlled robots) then it's cheating/unfair.

i don't see why kb and mouse users can't game on pc? leave controllers to consoles. they always come up with poor excuses to justify their unfair advantage.

i used to play CSS all the time on pc in fact for several years. so i know how effective a mouse is in fps. i still wouldn't use one that wasn't officially licensed.

 

[Armadillo]

that is the line if it's officially licensed by sony then it's fair game. no goalposts being moved or anything. if it's not officially licensed by sony or the game itself (that 1 game that used those controllers worth £150 where you controlled robots) then it's cheating/unfair.

All good then, long as we have some consistency and everything unlicensed (scuffs, controller adapters, unlicensed fight sticks etc) are all thrown under the same bus and not just xim, it's all good

 

[Spacedeck]

i don't see why kb and mouse users can't game on pc? leave controllers to consoles. they always come up with poor excuses to justify their unfair advantage.

i used to play CSS all the time on pc in fact for several years. so i know how effective a mouse is in fps. i still wouldn't use one that wasn't officially licensed.

+1

Some people do like the feel of mouse and keyboard, yet can't afford the investment to keep upgrading. If Sony did what they did for the wheels and required a chip in every controller, we wouldn't have this issue.

but does that also include using a joystick / wheel?

 

[peterattheboro]

it is cheating, just because your crap at the game doesn't change that fact.

put it this way if everyone went go karting and you decided that you would bring out a unchipped (no 30mph limit) 500cc kart up against people using a chipped 250cc kart and you lost because you can't drive to save yourself would that not be classed as cheating? yes it would as you have gave yourself an unfair advantage not readily available to others.

some argue that people using specific screens and headphones, etc is cheating but that's all within the rules as far as i'm concerned.

the ps4 was never designed to be used with a system like xim. it was designed for use with any type of tv or headphones though, not my fault if people have inferior screens or sound setups.

xim however exploits the control system making it far more accurate in fps games, no deadzones, etc, if you delve into how it works compared to a DS4 there is no way you can think it wasn't cheating.

What the **** are you on about...