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Ok I just got everything pretty much finished. I'm running two Phanteks PWM hubs from the CPU and OPT headers on the mobo. I've got 7 fans blowing in and 5 blowing out. Temperatures are fine and cool with an i7 6700k 4,6 overclock. I've just been advised to get a proper fan controller (sourcing power direct from PSU) rather than use power from the mobo .. is this a better idea? If so, what fan controller should I be looking at that is good quality and will take the 4 pin PWM fans (all Phantek 140mm)? I have looked at the
1. Aero Cool Aerocool Touch-2100 panel, Fan control
and the
2. nzxt sentry lx lcd fan controller
I do have dual 5inch bays free if it is needed but I need to know what's good and what's not and will also take 12 fans

Specs:
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Primo
CPU: i7 6700k (at 4.6Ghz)
Mobo: Asus Maximus viii Extreme
CPU Cooler: Corsair H110i GTX
RAM: 16 gb (2x8) Team Group 3733 mhz
GPU: Asus GTX 980 Ti Matrix
SSD: Samsung Pro 850 1TB x 3
PSU: Corsair H 1200i
Sound: Asus Essence STX2 7:1/ONKYO Amplification
Optical: Pioneer BDRW
LED: NZXT HUE
Cables: by CABLEMOD
OS: Win 10 Pro 64
Keyboard Corsair Gaming K95 RGB
 
I'm running two Phanteks PWM hubs

Power them via SATA then? They supposedly come with a cable that takes a SATA power cable and converts it into a 2 pin connector for shoving into the side of the controller. Unless you are using the case version, which from what I've seen can be Molex powered.

Doing so only takes the PWM signal from the motherboard, in which case there is theoretically no limit to the amount of fans you can run off the single PWM wave, provided the input transistor isn't too heavily loaded down.
 
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that will mean I loose PWM control from the CPU fan header ... what I need is to keep the signal from the CPU fan header to speed up or slow down the fans but use a power supply direct from the PSU ... do I make sense ??
All I can see by installing a dedicated fan controller is that I will loose the functionality of the CPU fan header and having to install sensors to achieve the same purpose but without direct mobo control ...
 
Tealc is saying that the Phanteks hubs you have now also have the option to power the fans from the PSU while otherwise working exactly as before.
 
that will mean I loose PWM control from the CPU fan header ... what I need is to keep the signal from the CPU fan header to speed up or slow down the fans but use a power supply direct from the PSU ... do I make sense ??
All I can see by installing a dedicated fan controller is that I will loose the functionality of the CPU fan header and having to install sensors to achieve the same purpose but without direct mobo control ...

Phanteks PWM controlled hubs are designed to use the PWM signal from motherboard to regulate the 12v PSU power from Sata connector plugged into PSU and thus control the speed of 3-pin fans plugged into hub

If you loose 'PWM control' when you plug the Phanteks PWM controlled[/U hubs into the Sata power from PSU, you do not have 'PWM control' going to the Phanteks PWM controlled hubs. Simple as that.

You probably need to go into bios and set the CPU-fan and CPU-opt heads to PWM.
 
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hmmm I have been told the opposite .. at present I have all my fans running from two Phanteks PWM hubs. One hub is connected to "CPU FAN HEADER" and the other from "OPT FAN HEADER" .. they work fine and control according to the Asus AI Suite 3 settings for fan control. Likewise PWM settings in bios are "on".

The label on the sata power supply on the hubs states that the PWM signal will be interrupted once the sata cable is used and cannot be used in conjunction with PWM control ?? So to me that's an "either" "or" situation ...

I mean if it turns out that I can use power supply direct from the PSU instead and still keep the current PWM control from the CPU/OPT headers then that's great but the label states differently ..
I think there is also confusion with this warning as the manual states that the sata power cannot be connected if using "other" types of headers (eg CPUfan2, OPT fan, ETC) ???
 
If the PWM hub does lose PWM control by powering via 12v SATA then there's something amiss. Why would they create a device that can supposedly power 12 fans (up to 30W) and only do this via the CPU fan header, which can generally only provide 12W. I can't imagine why the label would say that. From what I remember of the PCB of the original hub the 12v power and the 5v PWM are always separate so you'd expect no matter where power comes from it would still work.

My recommendation is to try it out with the SATA power. If it does fail to control them then I'd be quite surprised.
 
hmmm I have been told the opposite .. at present I have all my fans running from two Phanteks PWM hubs. One hub is connected to "CPU FAN HEADER" and the other from "OPT FAN HEADER" .. they work fine and control according to the Asus AI Suite 3 settings for fan control. Likewise PWM settings in bios are "on".

The label on the sata power supply on the hubs states that the PWM signal will be interrupted once the sata cable is used and cannot be used in conjunction with PWM control ?? So to me that's an "either" "or" situation ...

I mean if it turns out that I can use power supply direct from the PSU instead and still keep the current PWM control from the CPU/OPT headers then that's great but the label states differently ..
I think there is also confusion with this warning as the manual states that the sata power cannot be connected if using "other" types of headers (eg CPUfan2, OPT fan, ETC) ???

Like Tealc said above.

I'm not going to try to understand or explain anything of your last post.
I know what the Phanteks PWM fan hubs are, how they work and what they do. They use the PWM signal from another source (usually motherboard CPU fan header pin-4) to regulate the 12v power on pin-2 from same PWM fan header (or Sata/molex connnector cable to hub) to control the speed to it's 3-pin headers and fans connected to them.

The 12v power cna come form motherboard or from PSU depending on how it is connected. End result does not change .. Unless your motherboard header is supplying variable voltage.

If our motherboard is supplying variable voltage and you plug in the sata, the 12v power will override the variable voltage and fans will run at full speed.
 
@Tealc
Maybe what timbo2410 is misinterpreting what he is reading.. Maybe it is in reference to their use as a variable voltage splitter, not a PWM controlled variable voltage fan hub.

I don't know if all of them can be, but do know some of the older Phanteks PWM hubs can be used as variable voltage splitters. I don't know is this is possible with all of them or not.
 
I've just installed one. Got it plugged into the CPU OPT and into a SATA power connection. You just plug in all the fans (including one of the CPU fans that was plugged into the CPU OPT header) to the box and it works. All my fans in my case (7) are now PWM controlled including the 3 pins.

It is excellent. Has really tidied up the mess in my case as well.
 
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I've just installed one. Got it plugged into the CPU OPT and into a SATA power connection. You just plug in all the fans (including one of the CPU fans that was plugged into the CPU OPT header) to the box and it works. All my fans in my case (7) are now PWM controlled including the 3 pins.

It is excellent. Has really tidied up the mess in my case as well.

Good news!

But I'm going to go fuddy duddy on you now. 3-pin fans by design and wiring cannot be PWM. The 4th-pin is PWM signal lead. :D

I'm guessing if you plugged one of your 3-pin fans into CPU fan header it would run full speed. At least it will if that head is sending a PWM signal on pin-4 to Phanteks fan hub.
 
Good news!

But I'm going to go fuddy duddy on you now. 3-pin fans by design and wiring cannot be PWM. The 4th-pin is PWM signal lead. :D

I'm guessing if you plugged one of your 3-pin fans into CPU fan header it would run full speed. At least it will if that head is sending a PWM signal on pin-4 to Phanteks fan hub.

Well this is where the fan hub comes in. :)

The Phanteks PWM Fan Hub is capable of powering up to *11x fans (3-pin) through PWM modulation, while occupying only 1x 4-pin header of your motherboard per Fan Hub. At the same time this Fan Hub also keeps your chassis interior clean and tidy by centralizing all your fan cables. The PWM hub comes with pre-drilled mounting holes for easy installation to your Enthoo cases and also Velcro strips for use with other chassis. Power LED illuminates the Phanteks Logo when the PWM hub is powered on.
 
i can now report that it works with the sata connections. i have two hubs connected to the cpu fan and opt fan headers and are all under pwm control. i really cant understand the info that they provided with the pwm hubs or the warning stickers on the sata cables .. the speeds are controllable through asus ai suite from about 700 rpm to 1280 rpm ... total of 7 fans input and 5 putput ..:D
 
Well this is where the fan hub comes in. :)

The Phanteks PWM Fan Hub is capable of powering up to *11x fans (3-pin) through PWM modulation, while occupying only 1x 4-pin header of your motherboard per Fan Hub. At the same time this Fan Hub also keeps your chassis interior clean and tidy by centralizing all your fan cables. The PWM hub comes with pre-drilled mounting holes for easy installation to your Enthoo cases and also Velcro strips for use with other chassis. Power LED illuminates the Phanteks Logo when the PWM hub is powered on.
Phanteks did a very poor job of that English translation.

Basically what I think they are saying is we can run up to 11 fans (should be up to 30w maximum load) on their hub.

"through PWM modulation"
I'm not even sure what that is supposed to mean.
Is 'PWM modulation' supposed to mean the PWM signal from motherboard, or is it to mean the hub pulses power to the fans ??? My guess is PWM signal from motherboard. I don't have the equipment needed to test hub to see if it's power to fans is pulsed 12v or variable voltage. My simple VOM shows a change in voltage.​

"occupying only 1x 4-pin header "
Again, what does that mean?
The use of 1x 4-pin 'PWM controlled' header? Because that is what is required for the Phantgeks PWM (controlled) fan header to control accessory 12 volt power.​

That bit of writing is more advertising hype than explaination.

OcUK requires users to use host sites to post images, will not allow direct posting of images from manufacturers sites, has no provisions to adjust image size on OcUK, etc. It is very hard to supply guides and data here. If it was easier to do I would just post an image of section of manual showing the below text and drawings of how to hook it all up. :mad:

Here is text from mamnual
The PWM hub functions optimally when modulated by a PWM signal from the motherboard, which will allow the greatest control range. However, not all 4-pin motherboard connectors implement the PWM signal modulation.

Connecting the 4-pin to CPU_FAN
For full PWM functionality, Phanteks' PWM hub requires users to connect the 4-pin connector to the "CPU_Fan" connector of the motherboard, because all motherboard manufacturers implements a PWM signal modulation on this connector. Connect the SATA 12V powr to power the PWM hub. Not all motherboards have their CPU_Fan connector set on PWM signal modulation by default. Please consult your motherboard documentation for this matter.

Connecting the 4-pin to other 4-pin header (besides the CPU_Fan)
Other 4-pin connectors can be found on modern motherboards besides the "CPU_Fan" connector (e.g. "CPU_Fan2", "CHA?FAn", "OPT_Fan"), however not all motherboard manufacturers implement a true PWM signal modulation onto these connectors. These type of 4-pin connectors modulate the RPM by voltage, which has a smaller control range compared to modulation by true PWM signal.

The 12v SATA power cable can not be used to power the PWM hub if connecting to these types of 4-pin connectors, due to the interference with the RPM regulation by voltage (resulting in the fans running on full RPM). The PWM hub will draw it's power fromthe 4-pin connector, which is limited to a total device consuming 30W in total.

Important Note:
1 motherboard connector can only read 1 RPM signal. Therefore, the motherboard will only read the RPM signal from 1 device connected to Fan 1. Assuming the motherboard even uses the RPM reading, all other devices will be regulated according to FAN 1. For this reason a Y-splitter should not be connected to FAN 1.

Connecting the 4-pin to other 4-pin headers besides the "CPU_Fan" connector (e.g. "CPU_opt", "CHA_Fan2", "OPT_Fan.") may result is fan control not working properly. Not all motherboard manufacturers implement a true PWM signal modulation to all 4-pin fan headers. Some 4-pin fan headers do not use the 4th pin at all. Other fan headers may have modulated 12v on pin-2 instead of variable voltage.
Even it has many confusing statements .. which is the result of their translation.

But it is a fact most of these hubs can be used as variable voltsge splitters as long as the auxiliary power (PSU Sata or Molex connector) is not used.

If the hub is receiving PWM signal on pin-4 from motherboard, it will regulate the power to fans plugged into hub .. which of course will regulate their speed.

FYI, most all motherboard fan headers monitor fan speed, but very few motherboards use rpm reading to control fan speed. They use heat to determine percent of PWM signal to send so fans spin faster, move more air, and keep at component cool. What the actual speed (rpm) the fan is spinning (rpm) means nothing to the motherboard. It only does a cause / effect of more heat = more PWM% or more voltage to fan.
 
i can now report that it works with the sata connections. i have two hubs connected to the cpu fan and opt fan headers and are all under pwm control. i really cant understand the info that they provided with the pwm hubs or the warning stickers on the sata cables .. the speeds are controllable through asus ai suite from about 700 rpm to 1280 rpm ... total of 7 fans input and 5 putput ..:D

Was writing above when you posted.

Little confused by your last line
"... total of 7 fans input and 5 putput". Please explain this 'putput' fan.. :p
 
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