Qualcomm moving Snapdragon production to TSMC

TT158 said:
Not hot off the press, but I couldn't see it on this forum:

https://www.sammobile.com/news/samsungs-horrible-yield-qualcomm-give-tsmc-business/amp/

I guess this means that the Snapdragon - Exynos gap will be even wider next year. I wonder if it will be so wide that Samsung is forced to put the same chip in all of its flagships then?
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I do not see that happening. Samsung has invested to much money and time into their chipset now. If anyhting i think it could possibly go the other way around. It would make more sense. no licensing fees ect. Would work out a lot cheaper.
 
smokedog said:
What I found interesting in the article is that 65% of the chips Samsung produced are defective.
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Pretty poor, but isn't that Samsung's 4nm so brand new? I'm sure yields will go up soon enough. Surprised anyone would use a node at such a poor yield for commercial chips.

I guess Qualcomm dual source anyhow, and yields of Samsung 4nm would only have been known very recently. Point being, but lead times as long as they are and TSMC being fully booked out, this would have been planned ages ago. Qualcomm betted that Samsung couldn't deliver (maybe due to past issues Qualcomm had with previous Samsung nodes) and made other arrangements. If even tight-fisted Nvidia are coming back to TSMC for their next consumer cards, then Samsung's foundry business has major issues.
 
DataVampire said:
I do not see that happening. Samsung has invested to much money and time into their chipset now. If anyhting i think it could possibly go the other way around. It would make more sense. no licensing fees ect. Would work out a lot cheaper.
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So Exynos will be the only chip in their flagships? I think that makes sense, so long as they can handle being well down against other flagships.
 
TT158 said:
So Exynos will be the only chip in their flagships? I think that makes sense, so long as they can handle being well down against other flagships.
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Although the Exynos maybe not be there atm, with AMD, and let's not forget they have got one or two x apple chip engineers I think it will get better, it is just not that good atm,. i think it is getting better. I also think they want to be like apple`s m chip.
 
I thought Samsung were meant to be ditching exynos a while back? Guess not the case any more must be cheaper to flog their dead horse than pay the licensing fees...
 
DataVampire said:
Although the Exynos maybe not be there atm, with AMD, and let's not forget they have got one or two x apple chip engineers I think it will get better, it is just not that good atm,. i think it is getting better. I also think they want to be like apple`s m chip.
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This. Let's see what they do next year. They need to rectify heating issues and we'll have 2nd gen AMD GPU.
 
Rimsy said:
I thought Samsung were meant to be ditching exynos a while back? Guess not the case any more must be cheaper to flog their dead horse than pay the licensing fees...
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I thought it was more that they were no longer going to do custom cores and closed the place doing their cores. I'm sure that team has been snapped up already.
Exynos used to use their own cores, now they'll "just" take standard ARM cores and package them up.

Qualcomm had gone that route too even if they still called their Kyro. But now Qualcomm are (eventually) going use NUVIA cores so they are coming back to the custom cores soon.

ARM's cores are pretty good but their one-size-fits-all didn't suit everyone. Anyone who wants to compete with Apple for example.
 
KompuKare said:
I thought it was more that they were no longer going to do custom cores and closed the place doing their cores. I'm sure that team has been snapped up already.
Exynos used to use their own cores, now they'll "just" take standard ARM cores and package them up.

Qualcomm had gone that route too even if they still called their Kyro. But now Qualcomm are (eventually) going use NUVIA cores so they are coming back to the custom cores soon.

ARM's cores are pretty good but their one-size-fits-all didn't suit everyone. Anyone who wants to compete with Apple for example.
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Ahh gotcha that makes sense.
 
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