Quality, air cooled (WC optional), quiet case -- suggestions

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I'm looking for a new case, as my current one is too crampt. No budget restrictions.

Requirements:

1) Comes without a PSU
2) Plenty of airflow, reasonably quiet with filters [CPU will be OC'ed + 2 x GFX cards]
--- water cooling upgradable, for the future, maybe
3) 3 x 5.25" bays (2 being convertable for 3.5" drives)
4) Supports 6 - 8 Hard drives (wanting to RAID)
5) Support ATX, and larger sizes (thinking future motherboard support)
6) Tooless design, good quality, rattle free, good cable management
7) Support big long graphic cards of today/tomorrow [not crampt.]
8) Must be able to support large PSUs (currently got Antec 850W)

Thanks in advance for your suggestions

Sim
 
The Lian-li V2010 should fit the bill :)

Maybe a bit on the pricey side but it's well worth it ;)

As Yewen once said: "Lian-li's always looks better in the flesh".

:cool:
 
rattle free
Only cases I would call as vibration resistant at stock are few Antecs with thick multilayer sidepanels.
Others need mass damping.

5) Support ATX, and larger sizes (thinking future motherboard support)
Don't worry about desktop motherboards growing larger than ATX... Because even some of the most popular "enthusiast" cases are cramped (Antec.... ehem...) and would be unable to house E-ATX motherboard!


Challenge of dual chamber cases like V2010 is ensuring good airflow in where huge majority of heat is produced: in motherboard chamber.
Now if you look V2010 has only one exhaust fan in there and no active intake and you need to reserve many 5.25" bays for either allowing passive intake airflow or then for installing intake fan there... So seven 5.25" bays are more imaginary than real because you can't use them all. (one intake fan using three bays would be good minimum)

Single chamber design avoids that compertmentalisation of most intake airflow to where it's not needed.
Also Lian Li A71 (A70 gets one minus from lack of door and direct noise escape path) has one of the most silencing friendly feature sets of Lian Li cases and is second cheapest of their full tower cases (after A70) which leaves more money for getting accessories like damping mats, better/quieter fans and expansion/graphics card cooler. (+ ATX12V/EPS12V power cable extension)
While it doesn't have toolless 5.25" bays I much prefer spending minute or two more in installing normal devices than spending day for wondering how can I attach short card reader/fan cotroller devices so that they would stay on their places when touching them.
Similarly at stock there aren't much cable management features but when there's plenty of space it's just question of some work:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/LianLi/PC-A70/images/finished1.jpg
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/LianLi/PC-A70/images/finished2.jpg
http://www.nordichardware.com/skrivelser_img/532/A71_20.jpg

By removing top HDD cage (three of 10 HDD bays) there would be space for adding triple radiator to top.
This is what my case looked during assembly.
 
Although i like the look of the lian li cases, air flow does concern me. A small fan to bring in it at the front, through closely placed together HDs. I just wonder how well it cools OC'ed machines.

A tempting option is the Cooler Master ATCS 840. Bigger fans, better airflow over HDs, not the coolest case (but not miles from either), but also not the loudest either.
 
Your joking right?

The A71 pictured above has 2 x 120mm intake fans, then another 2 behind the hdd's then 2 x 120mm exhaust fans. There is also room for a 120.3 rad in the top, I have mine there with 6 fans on it.
 
Isn't 120mm fans really noisy?

Are they're any objective reviews out there on this case? I haven't been able to find any. Eg. Temp charts for CPU, GPU, at idling / normal/ stress test.

Thanks
 
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EsaT,

What size motherboard is that in the photo? ATX?

What's the noise level like?

What kind of CPU temperatures do you get for IDLE / Av Load / Stress? I'm trying to determine how good the air flow is.

With the stock case, how is the noise level? Is the noise barely noticeable, or does it sound like a wind tunnel?

Obviously, its significantly cheaper than the ATCS 840.


Cheers
 
The 120mm fans that some in the case aren't bad, personally I have changed all of mine though and I use the Lian Li fans on my rad with a fan control to run them totally silent.

Thats a full size ATX mobo in the pic above.

The Coolermaster ATCS 840 looks nice but I wouldn't be paying that money for it.

Also with the Lian Li those fans behind the hdd's can be replaced with 140mm fans as there is the mounting option there.
 
With the stock case, how is the noise level? Is the noise barely noticeable, or does it sound like a wind tunnel?
That's ATX motherboard, E-ATX is used practically exclusively by dual CPU socket motherboards.
Never tried at stock but directly started doing few mods and installing damping.
Also I have this for preventing warm air from staying in expansion card area:
http://www.lian-li.com.tw/v2/en/pro...ex=232&cl_index=2&sc_index=34&ss_index=83&g=f

Also I've replaced fans with 1200 rpm Scythe SlipStreams (except mid case fans are 140mm Sharkoon system fan and Yate Loon) which are all connected to Aerocool FP-01 and Zalman MFC2 fan controllers.
At full speed that SlipStream and Lian Li stock fans are very similar (both noisy for my taste) and althought stock fan has slightly lower overall noise there's clear ball bearing "growling" while noise of SlipStream is that of airflow which isn't miracle because airflow is recognizably lot higher. (just compare airflow of SlipStream to for example Antec TriCool)

So amount of airflow noise depends on entirely how much of airflow you want.
Door muffles intake fan noise "by about couple hundred" RPMs so those can be kept at slightly higher speed than in case without door. Also it blocks HDD noises very effectively. I've tried WD6401AALS, WD5000AAKS and WD4000KD drives in front cage and their full stroke seek noises can be heard only by listening from very close. (use butterfly read surface test of HDDScan for that)

That quiet is just very subjective term like these tell:
http://www.nordichardware.com/Reviews/?page=6&skrivelse=532
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/LianLi/PC-A70/5.html
So about only way for comparing that is comparing speeds where different users are running fans.

Isn't 120mm fans really noisy?
That depends on entirely from fan.
Lousy bearing/motor can make lot of noise regardless of speed (Akasa 140mm ehem...) and in general ball bearing tends to be noisier than sleeve bearing. Sleeve bearing just doesn't tolerate well running in horizontal position so in those ball bearing or some hybrid bearing is required, if case has fans in such position.
Also if fan vibrates that's going to cause additional vibration induced noise, pretty much regardless of speed/airflow noise. (Akasa again... and also Noctua P12)

And considering fans are about always overrated in specs SlipStream 1200 might well have higher airflow (SPCR measured 46cfm) per noise ratio than for example that noisy 140mm Akasa crapola.

Although i like the look of the lian li cases, air flow does concern me. A small fan to bring in it at the front, through closely placed together HDs.
Neither are HDD cages of others less restrictive, often opposite.
For example in Silverstrone Fortress HDDs are packed like sardines in tin and with cage block airflow totally.
If you look height of HDD in its place also ATCS 840 has at least equally restrictive HDD cage:
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.p...sk=view&id=241&Itemid=61&limit=1&limitstart=5

And commonly used plastic trays probably don't insulate HDD vibration much any while still stopping heat conduction to case and increasing size of airflow obstacle inside HDD cage.
 
Yep. And I've needed it when installing linux and XP. I don't use it daily.

Now you've recovered from the shock. ;) Maybe :D

Getting back to business. The only thing nagging me over the A71B, is no motherboard holes for cables, i.e. to route cables through the back to provide better airflow.
 
I used a drill and a jigsaw personally, I don't own a dremel either so can't help you there, just heard that people normally use them for such jobs.
 
I used a drill and a jigsaw personally
That would be good combination for doing any size hole...
Because you don't want to try doing bigger holes with toys or you need box of cutting discs and whole shipload of patience.

I myself changed fast to angle grinder for bigger cuts like hole for chaning CPU heatsink's backplate.
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HAF 932 is a question mark for me:

Pros:
- Its cheaper than the A71
- Its in stock
- Its got good cable management + CPU backplate cut out
- Best Air flow

Cons:
- No dust filters (how badly will this affect components, and their life?)
- Looks bl**dy ugly
- How do i put 3.5" external devices in, considering the click option, and coolermaster don't sell these type of accessories.
 
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- No dust filters (how badly will this affect components, and their life?)
Depends on how much there's dust in your house and/or how often you want to clean every heatsink and open PSU for cleaning it.

Also HAF is only as "quiet" as the noisiest component you have in it, including HDDs.
(open design and plastic trays... in another forum there was complaint about very loud HDD noises with Raptors in it)
 
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