Qually tyres to return?

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Qualifying tyres could return to Formula 1 next year, with Pirelli having offered the teams the chance to bring the short-life rubber back to the sport, AUTOSPORT magazine reports.

Qualifying tyres disappeared from grand prix racing after the 1991 season, when both Pirelli and Goodyear supplied the field with very grippy rubber that performed at its peak during a single flying lap.

Hmm I've got a mix opinion on them. They do allow all the teams to get the most out of a quick tyre, to sort out who is quickest rather than using strategy/tyre management, but then if they're not used in the race then it could be seen as a waste.
 
I quite like the strategy behind the current system because it makes everything so hard to predict, not just during quali but during the race as well.

We've seen it a few times this season where (usually a middle-runner) has saved a set of options and qualified lower but used them to gain positions during the race and finish higher.

This would remove that element of unpredictability.
 
Wont happen.

Each car will need at least 3 sets of Quali tyres for the 3 sessions. Thats 72 sets of tyres, or 288 tyres that will do at most 3 laps. And of those 288, 84 will never get used as cars drop out in Q1 and Q2.

Assuming they also need to give the teams at least a couple of sets to practice on, theres another 192 tyres.

So this would mean AT LEAST 480 tyres being carried to each GP for the purpose of a couple of practice runs and 1 hours qualifying before being thrown away. Then you have to add into that all the other tyres that will be needed for the race and practice and you are looking at a massive increase in the number of tyres used by F1. Not to mention that these tyres will do less than 10 miles before being thrown away.

Yeah, goo luck getting that one past the FIA's 'Green' agenda....
 
How about qually tyres only for those who get to Q3? And if we must keep the both compounds rule, then how about drivers eliminated in Q1 and Q2 to start on the tyres they set their best lap on, people getting through to Q3 rewarded with super sticky qualifying tyres to go for pole with and get to start the race on whichever race compound they want to.

***edit***

Oh, and a bonus championship point to whoever gets pole.
 
What's the point? Qually tyres are only relevant when there are two tyre manufacturers competing to produce the quickest tyres, with a single manufacturer it's just another unnecessary artificial variable.

Just take all 4 compounds to each track and give the teams free reign on which tyres they use and when, retaining the current 8 set limit to stop usage from getting out of hand.
 
Wont happen.

Each car will need at least 3 sets of Quali tyres for the 3 sessions. Thats 72 sets of tyres, or 288 tyres that will do at most 3 laps. And of those 288, 84 will never get used as cars drop out in Q1 and Q2.

Assuming they also need to give the teams at least a couple of sets to practice on, theres another 192 tyres.

So this would mean AT LEAST 480 tyres being carried to each GP for the purpose of a couple of practice runs and 1 hours qualifying before being thrown away. Then you have to add into that all the other tyres that will be needed for the race and practice and you are looking at a massive increase in the number of tyres used by F1. Not to mention that these tyres will do less than 10 miles before being thrown away.

Yeah, goo luck getting that one past the FIA's 'Green' agenda....

That is not really a massive amount of tyres however. It is only in the region of a 20% increase and the bigger teams will do anything for an edge. As per the Pirelli coverage pre-race the other week, all tyres are shredded after each weekend whether they are used or not anyway and a brand new fresh set is made for every driver in the next GP. Replacing 3 sets from the mix of compounds with qualifying tyres would not really upset the balance of waste generated.
 
What's the point? Qually tyres are only relevant when there are two tyre manufacturers competing to produce the quickest tyres, with a single manufacturer it's just another unnecessary artificial variable.

Just take all 4 compounds to each track and give the teams free reign on which tyres they use and when, retaining the current 8 set limit to stop usage from getting out of hand.

Probably the most fun solution to the tyre set up thing there, though it will reduce track time massively if they can't use any good ones during fp to set the cars up or work out which ones are the best...

Quali tyres would be cool, but I don't think they will fit in with the sport any more... The days of throw away quali stuff are gone (like having 1100bhp for quail too) and it wouldn't make much sense to have quali tyres again
 
It'd be nice as it's no good when cars only run once to save tyres, but I quite like the top 10 having to start on the tyres they qualified in, although to be fair it rarely has any significant bearing.
 
That is not really a massive amount of tyres however. It is only in the region of a 20% increase and the bigger teams will do anything for an edge. As per the Pirelli coverage pre-race the other week, all tyres are shredded after each weekend whether they are used or not anyway and a brand new fresh set is made for every driver in the next GP. Replacing 3 sets from the mix of compounds with qualifying tyres would not really upset the balance of waste generated.

Dont think your maths is quite right. I think the teams have something like 13 sets of tyres per car per weekend (someone will clarify the exact amount). Assuming the minimum of 3 runs in qualifying, plus 2 sets to practice on, that's an additional 5 sets per car, or 38%.

But thats the minimum of 1 run per Q session and 2 practice sets. If we get more realistic and expect 2 runs per session, and 2 sets per practice session on Friday to setup the car, thats 10 sets of tyres extra, or a 64% increase.

And it wont mean a reduction in the number of other sets either, as they wont go the distance. They still need enough sets to get through all the practice sessions and the whole race. At most they might drop 1 of the standard sets.

Remember the FIA dropped the number of tyres available to the teams this year (15 to 13 per car, I think?) on grounds of being 'Greener' and reducing transportation costs for the tyres. There is no way they would get an increase to 25 sets through the PR department.

Also, as has been said, without competition between manufacturers, what's the point?

EDIT: actually, I like the whole "take all 4 compounds, let them use what they want" idea. But unfortunately again that will fall foul of the Green agenda. You are then literally talking about taking double the number of dry tyres to every race, with a massively increased proportion of them never being used.
 
I'd rather see a qually engine with massive 1 lap performance but reduced reliabilty.

Don't they recycle the unused tyres anyway?
 
I'd rather see a qually engine with massive 1 lap performance but reduced reliabilty.

Why?

"Hi Bernie, I have a great idea. How about you make the cars a bit faster for qualifying, which doesn't carry any reward in terms of points and makes no difference to the race or the championship, and double engine costs?"
 
I will be honest I didnt work out how many tyres they used by went on the 50k number Brundle gave during his piece on Pirelli.

The logistics of tyres seems mind boggling to me anyway. Adding another set or 3 will not impact them much as they barely use the ones they take anyway.

I dont know how they can argue behind a green policy when the shred and recycle all the tyres following a race (including all the wets they dont use)
 
If you're bringing back qualli tyres - only give them a single set of them.

Let them choose the best moment to use them. Q2 to guarantee Q3, or try to get into Q3 on normal tyres and then go for glory in Q3
 
Could take it further still. Give the teams the amount of tyres they can use over the whole season, to use at any session, any race as much as they want.. as long as they don't go over the allocated amount (penalty if they do). So a team could use loads of super softs in one race but have to restrict themselves later in the year.
 
With budget concious / green pushing FIA / BE around currently I cant see tyres that are thrown away so quickly being allowed to be honest (surely it would go against everything they have been pushing for the last few years)
 
Could take it further still. Give the teams the amount of tyres they can use over the whole season, to use at any session, any race as much as they want.. as long as they don't go over the allocated amount (penalty if they do). So a team could use loads of super softs in one race but have to restrict themselves later in the year.

All falls down if they have a couple of wet weekends at the start of the season and everyone is left with plenty of tyres for the rest of the year.
 
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