Questions about LPG converted Jeep.

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Hi all.

I'm considering buying a 4.0 Jeep Cherokee XJ and the one I'm looking at has been converted to LPG.
Thing is, I know nothing/very little about LPG. I'm hoping to view the car this afternoon.

Is there anything important I should know about LPG? Anything to look out for?
It was converted in 2002 and has the certificate, etc.

Any help would be appreciated.
 
How much do you intend to use it?

If it's fitted, and you're not paying a premium, you've not got much to lose. There are some things to look out for though:

- Is it a single point installation? The owner will usually be able to tell you but if not the giveaway is a big alloy ring on the intake manifold. Single point systems, especially cheap ones, cut a fair bit of performance off and aren't that great in economy terms, although obviously it's a bit cheaper to refuel.

- Multipoint systems have an individual injector per cylinder and are consequently much more expensive - but better on gas and more powerful.

-The certificate really isn't worth much - is it current for example? - so look carefully at how well the conversion has been done. Are the tanks in the boot, for example, because the XJ's boot is small anyway and putting a fuel tank in it compromises it massively, and also means you can't lower the seats to get more room (well, you can, but obviously you can't put long loads through the tank). Has the fuel filler nozzle been well located?

- Poorly set up LPG installations can kill any engine without too much effort. Does it run well on both gas and petrol? Give it a good hard stab on both. The 4.0 in the Jeep is a really lively, quite aggressive, engine and should pull it along well, without any missing or stumbling. Check the oil and coolant for any signs of cross-contamination.

- Does it switchover automatically from petrol to gas? This depends on the installation but make sure it's a smooth changeover.

- Does the heater work properly and well?

- How big is the gas tank? You can't fit as much in a conventional gas tank so if it's only got a small one then you'll have a very limited range - which is bloody annoying as LPG stations can be difficult to find (either just in general or ones that actually have any LPG to find) - meaning you end up running it on petrol anyway. And then find that it's got a half-size petrol tank so that doesn't go far either.......

- If the tank's in the back then make sure the rear springs aren't shot. XJ springs sag over time and fitting an LPG tank can exacerbate the issue. Look to make sure that the Jeep sits level when it's parked on a flat. If it doesn't (excessively so), budget about £200 minus fitting for a set of new leafs and bolts at some point :)

LPG can be a massively false economy on these things so tread carefully :)

Make sure it drives well too. A decent XJ should feel pretty taught, with minimal bodyroll for its size, and fairly precise steering. If it wallows like a boat and steers vaguely then it's getting on and not been overly well looked after :)
 
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Thanks, that's a huge help.

I was planning to share the car with my brother but unfortunately since posting this thread he has since decided that "all automatics are unreliable, expensive to fix and crap off road". :rolleyes: Instead, he's now looking at spending £3k on a rusting discovery.

I'm really liking what I am hearing about these Cherokees though, they sound very reliable and you seem to get a lot for your money. I am going to seriously consider buying one next year which will give me time to research into them a bit more. My insurance will also drop significantly next year which will allow me to insure it for a reasonable price.
If I use it as a second car I'd probably only be doing about 3,000 miles a year. If I use it as my main car I'd be doing around 10,000.
Reading what you've said I'm not sure if it's going to be worth me getting an LPG, they seem like a lot of hassle and it's more things to go wrong.

I notice that you're in the South East too; do you know of any decent Jeep specialists in the SE? I hear the main dealers charge a bomb for servicing and parts, etc.
 
The Jeep will walk all over the Discovery, unfortunately for him, in every respect. Shame! Automatic transmission (the AW4) in the Jeep is brilliant too, it's Japanese to boot if he's worried about reliability.....

I'll fill in some more blanks in a bit - just having a cup of tea! Tara!
 
The Jeep will walk all over the Discovery, unfortunately for him, in every respect. Shame! Automatic transmission (the AW4) in the Jeep is brilliant too, it's Japanese to boot if he's worried about reliability.....

I'll fill in some more blanks in a bit - just having a cup of tea! Tara!

Thanks. I've tried changing his mind but he just doesn't like the Jeep for some reason so it looks like I'll be buying one next year instead, at least it gives me a while to learn more about them.
 
Just spent 15 minutes writing a long post and managed to lose it all :(

I've got an XJ Orvis and love it to bits. Had a real adventure picking it up from Glasgow and driving back to West Wales.

Mines not on LPG and for all the reason Lashout states I haven't bothered - I do think though that a spare wheel tank could be mounted upright and the spare wheel put on a rack on the roof.

Check the transmission will move between 2WD/PT4WD/4WD/4Lo mines does but only when nice and warm. My first Jeep would from cold.

Also, check insurance. My Orvis is group 17 and some insurers want more to insure my Jeep than a UK Turbo Impreza. Day to day fuel and insurance my Jeep costs more than my old Impreza :eek:

Post #50 is my little story of picking up the Jeep

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18106977&highlight=adventure
 
I love cherokee's. Good to modify.... :D

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Just spent 15 minutes writing a long post and managed to lose it all :(

:mad: :(

I've got an XJ Orvis and love it to bits. Had a real adventure picking it up from Glasgow and driving back to West Wales.

Mines not on LPG and for all the reason Lashout states I haven't bothered - I do think though that a spare wheel tank could be mounted upright and the spare wheel put on a rack on the roof.

Check the transmission will move between 2WD/PT4WD/4WD/4Lo mines does but only when nice and warm. My first Jeep would from cold.

Also, check insurance. My Orvis is group 17 and some insurers want more to insure my Jeep than a UK Turbo Impreza. Day to day fuel and insurance my Jeep costs more than my old Impreza :eek:

Post #50 is my little story of picking up the Jeep

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18106977&highlight=adventure

Thanks, sounds like you had a fun adventure. I expect I may have to do similar to find the right one.

I have been getting insurance quotes and they are surprisingly good considering my age. I believe the 4.0 Limited is group 14 which is what I'm looking at.

What MPG are you getting out of yours?

My main concern at the moment is where to get it serviced and maintained in my area, and where to find parts.
 
I'll be miffed if it is 14, the Orvis doesn't have any more power just softer leather and some stuck on bonnet vents.

My average MPG is 16.5 and thats downhill pretty much all the way to work and all uphill on the home run. I've only done 4K since I've had it so buying LPG would take so long to recover the cost I'd probably have to be buried in it. Like Lashout says though theres LPG converisons and "LPG conversions". Very old conversions might cause grief if the manufacturer no longer exists and you can't get the parts. If the Jeep has good history and the LPG has been checked/serviced in the last 12 months than all should be well.

Its nice to have the Jeep in the cold weather. Gets warm inside very quickly and even has heated mirrors. Seats aren't heated and are flaming cold first thing.

Have a look here

www.birtydastards.com - lots of very good knowledge on there.

www.rocknrutz.org - another good site for Jeep related info.

PS - whatever you do don't buy the diesel. Never had the pleasure but the heads go and its very expensive to fix. I think there is a 2.5 petrol but I doubt its very clever.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2290520.htm

Aha, this Jeep has a spare wheel LPG tank mounted upright. Its had all the usual things fixed but I'd still go in at £1500.


http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2285828.htm

Very tidy looking example.


LOL, it seems that the first sign of snow, everyone and his friend is selling an XJ :D A month or two ago there was only 3 or 4 for sale!!
 
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Mine has heated seats, nerrrr :p

Will respond a bit more when I get back from work....

I average about 20-22 on mine doing a 75mph commute each day (running in 4x4 all the time), which hammers economy (the speed, mostly). I don't keep my foot out, put it like that. In summer I managed to average about 24-26 which I though quite good really, for what it is.

A set of updated four-hole injectors (£75 quid posted for a set of recon'd, cleaned and flow-tested), decent intake system, maybe some exhaust changes, can add a good few MPG (2-3, sometimes by just changing the injectors!) without too much effort :)

OT - What year is yours Edd?
 
Thanks for the links.

I think I've definitely settled on the 4.0 Limited. I could probably live with the fuel consumption as it'll only be a second car. It must be better than the Range Rover P38 V8 4.6 which we sold earlier this year!

The Cherokee in the second pistonheads link is just what I'm looking for, shame it's sold. Do you think there will be more available once the winter is over?
 
There's always a fair few around - just look on Autotrader, on eBay, etc :)

4.0 Limited is about the only one worth having, for the most part - the Orvis and 60th Anniversary models (like mine) don't really add that much barring a few little bits of kit or some exterior details like alloys, spoilers and bonnet vents :)

A Limited will have all the kit anyway so you won't miss much. The only thing worth keeping an eye out for is if you find one with an LSD - usually there's a label in the glove box or a metal tag on the diff - although whether it still works or not is anyone's guess. Jacking it up or taking the cover off is the only real way to find out :)

96 is the best year for the 'Classic' look, with the old-style interior (my favorite, best built too). The facelifted ones are all much the same (although '97 gets rated as the best year for no apparent reason for the facelift). Late (2000 on) XJ's have a revised cylinder head which can cause issues though, but it's quite rare. Late (mid 99 on) XJ's get a revised intake manifold amongst other things which makes them a bit more potent and economical :)
 
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Mine has heated seats, nerrrr :p

OT - What year is yours Edd?

No way :)

I'd love heated seats right now. I didn't know you had a 60th? There was a 60 with LPG for sale when I got my Jeep but he wanted silly money for it.

Mine is on a V so MY99. Thanks for the tips on improving MPG, anything will help.
 
GSDog

Just for your info I did a long run up to the wifes folks on the weekend in the Jeep. Just under 300 miles and the Jeep to get there on one tank with about 30 miles before the light came on. So 330 miles full to the brim to light and warning beep.

Filling it up varied from roughly £70 - £75 not sure what that relates to in litres or MPG. The readout on the little computer thing said average of 24mpg on the way up and 25.7mpg on the way back.

Kind of wish it had LPG. I think it would save about around £25 a tank but take 5 years to make back if I pay for the install. Might look for another orvis or 60th (with heated seats this time!) but with LPG.
 
GSDog

Just for your info I did a long run up to the wifes folks on the weekend in the Jeep. Just under 300 miles and the Jeep to get there on one tank with about 30 miles before the light came on. So 330 miles full to the brim to light and warning beep.

Filling it up varied from roughly £70 - £75 not sure what that relates to in litres or MPG. The readout on the little computer thing said average of 24mpg on the way up and 25.7mpg on the way back.

Kind of wish it had LPG. I think it would save about around £25 a tank but take 5 years to make back if I pay for the install. Might look for another orvis or 60th (with heated seats this time!) but with LPG.

That's interesting, thanks. The fuel consumption on these things don't seem as bad as I thought, I could live with it. My brother is currently getting something like 13mpg in his 3.5 V8 Land Rover. :D
I definitely want a multipoint LPG system with an underslung tank, but trying to find the perfect XJ with the perfect LPG system is going to be hard!
 
The Jeep's more powerful than the 3.5 too :D Much better engine :)

You'll find one, there's lots around, so it's just a case of digging about.

I might buy an older XJ soon, so if you want a nice 2001 60th Anniversary.... :p
 
I might buy an older XJ soon, so if you want a nice 2001 60th Anniversary.... :p

Does it have LPG? I might be interested for the heated seats alone. Its bloomin cold up north and I completely expected to get frozen to the seats!

Problem I have is that mine is a pretty decent one with low miles for Jeeps at 58K. I'd rather lpg mine than buy one with it already fitted because I know my Jeep and I'd know the LPG system "should" be OK. However, as much as I like my Jeep I'm not sure I could hold on to it long enough to make the conversion worth it.

On a different large engined theme, my father in law has gone through 3 Jags in the last month or so - XJ8, X type, S Type and now wants another XJ8. The first was giving him grief starting. Doesn't like the Ford Jags so wants another 8 but also looking for LPG'd model.
 
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