Quick upgrade for 6870?

humbug · 21 Apr 2014 at 15:39

Ian Evey said:
I was trying to say why is dx11 on a 290 a lot lower than mantle is and a 780 is so close to mantle fps figures. The fps I quoted I had are from a competitive 14 minute game.

You think your CPU still holds mantle back?

Its not, the FPS with a 780 on the same CPU are pretty much the same as they are on the 290.

I added to my post, if i turn the settings down on the 290 to make it CPU bound i get over 100 FPS Minimum in Mantle, compared with about 50 in DirectX, the same is true for the 780.

What CPU are you using? i would be interested to see how many FPS your getting. you don't have to make a recording of it if its to much hassle, but a simple screen-shot in the same spot is easy

Ian Evey · 21 Apr 2014 at 15:45

Ian Evey said:
I was trying to say why is dx11 on a 290 a lot lower than mantle is and a 780 is so close to mantle fps figures. The fps I quoted I had are from a competitive 14 minute game.

You think your CPU still holds mantle back?

I use a 3570k @ 4.2

humbug said:
Its not, the FPS with a 780 on the same CPU are pretty much the same as they are on the 290.

I added to my post, if i turn the settings down on the 290 to make it CPU bound i get over 100 FPS Minimum in Mantle, compared with about 50 in DirectX, the same is true for the 780.

What CPU are you using? i would be interested to see how many FPS your getting. you don't have to make a recording of it if its to much hassle, but a simple screen-shot in the same spot is easy

I know about those spots, i was just thinking how come a 3570k and a 780 running fraps during a 64 player game gets so close to your mantle scores with whatever you was doing to get those figures.

humbug · 21 Apr 2014 at 15:47

Ian Evey said:
I know about those spots, i was just thinking how come a 3570k and a 780 running fraps during a 64 player game gets so close to your mantle scores with whatever you was doing to get those figures.

You Said "My min on siege of Shanghai is 70" i'm getting min of over 100, its 123 in that screenshot, which is a high CPU Bottleneck spot. This on a 4 year old AMD CPU.

LtMatt · 21 Apr 2014 at 15:51

humbug said:
You Said "My min on siege of Shanghai is 70" i'm getting min of over 100, its 123 in that screenshot, this on a 4 year old AMD CPU.

Thought it was older than that.

Its a ball hair faster than a Q9550 isn't it?

humbug · 21 Apr 2014 at 15:57

LtMatt said:
Thought it was older than that.

Its a ball hair faster than a Q9550 isn't it?

Mid 2010 according to the code on the Heat Spreader, indervidually the cores aren't great, but i think its a little faster than a Q9550 percore.

In DX its desperately underpowerd for the 290, so i'm glad BF4 has Mantle.

It was a choice between an i5 and a 280X or just a 290, my main game is BF4, so.....meh. the CPU is no problem.

Ian Evey · 21 Apr 2014 at 15:59

humbug said:
You Said "My min on siege of Shanghai is 70" i'm getting min of over 100, its 123 in that screenshot, which is a high CPU Bottleneck spot. This on a 4 year old AMD CPU.

Your minimum on those ultra graphs you posted Are 68. Not sure what I would get playing the game on medium settings but to be fair I only used ultra.

SkeeterUK · 21 Apr 2014 at 16:02

Avoid using b4 too much. Its just one game and a meh game at that.

Plus its not the best crafted game due to all the problems it has had during development and they rushed it out early. Btw have they fixed all the mantle issues that came up in the game when amd released the first mantle enabled drivers?

Might be just me but anything over 60fps would be great. More is needed if you had a 120mhz monitor like but for most 1080p res monitors 60 is all u really need, any extra is just a bonus.

humbug · 21 Apr 2014 at 16:08

Ian Evey said:
Your minimum on those ultra graphs you posted Are 68. Not sure what I would get playing the game on medium settings but to be fair I only used ultra.

Thats what BF4 frametimerecord and FRAPS returned, i don't know what the FPS 'actually?' was but all it takes is for 1 frame to render at 68 FPS and that's what it will return in the result., certainly i don't see FPS that low while playing, having said that this was also Ultra Prset, the FPS are GPU, not CPU bound, as i already said if i turn the settings down, even just a little, like 2x MSAA instead of 4x and less Post AA (which i don't run anyway as it blurres the Image), the Min FPS are ridiculous at over 100 Minimum, its almost permanently locked to 120 FPS if i set it like that in user.cfg, no matter where or what.

Ian Evey · 21 Apr 2014 at 16:59

humbug said:
Thats what BF4 frametimerecord and FRAPS returned, i don't know what the FPS 'actually?' was but all it takes is for 1 frame to render at 68 FPS and that's what it will return in the result., certainly i don't see FPS that low while playing, having said that this was also Ultra Prset, the FPS are GPU, not CPU bound, as i already said if i turn the settings down, even just a little, like 2x MSAA instead of 4x and less Post AA (which i don't run anyway as it blurres the Image), the Min FPS are ridiculous at over 100 Minimum, its almost permanently locked to 120 FPS if i set it like that in user.cfg, no matter where or what.

That's great for you, the difference in dx11 ultra 290 vs mantle 290 average is 29 fps for you, vs the last shanghai game I played on older drivers was 83 fps average.

So as has already been said for a weaker CPU and a 290 and mantle in bf4 it's great, But what happened to the dx11 fps on a 290. Seems awfully low on dx11 that's all, And I wondered if amd stopped doing optimisations for bf4 on amd cards.

SkeeterUK · 21 Apr 2014 at 17:05

I think there's some people with amd cards i think the 290s, im not sure, have black screen issues? Is that something the OP should be worried about? Also anyone with a 290 like humbug for example, would you describe the drivers for the 290 range decent or is there any issues like microstutter or some games not performing well atm or whatever? As im sure the OP would probably like to know these if there are any.

wildest_jjk · 21 Apr 2014 at 17:28

SkeeterUK said:
I think there's some people with amd cards i think the 290s, im not sure, have black screen issues? Is that something the OP should be worried about? Also anyone with a 290 like humbug for example, would you describe the drivers for the 290 range decent or is there any issues like microstutter or some games not performing well atm or whatever? As im sure the OP would probably like to know these if there are any.

Thanks SkeeterUK, this would be great if anyone does have input regarding these things?

Definitely something that I probably should be considering!

humbug · 21 Apr 2014 at 17:32

Ian Evey said:
That's great for you, the difference in dx11 ultra 290 vs mantle 290 average is 29 fps for you, vs the last shanghai game I played on older drivers was 83 fps average.

So as has already been said for a weaker CPU and a 290 and mantle in bf4 it's great, But what happened to the dx11 fps on a 290. Seems awfully low on dx11 that's all, And I wondered if amd stopped doing optimisations for bf4 on amd cards.

#, My Minimum FPS are up by 66 FPS, from 57 to 123 'DX vs Mantle'

#, I have an old AMD CPU, if i had the same CPU as you i would get the same 70 FPS Minimum as you in DirectX.

#, Even if i did have the same CPU as you; in Mantle i would still be getting 53 (possibly even more) FPS Minimum higher than you with your Nvidia rig.

GoogalyMoogaly · 21 Apr 2014 at 18:53

SkeeterUK said:
I think there's some people with amd cards i think the 290s, im not sure, have black screen issues? Is that something the OP should be worried about? Also anyone with a 290 like humbug for example, would you describe the drivers for the 290 range decent or is there any issues like microstutter or some games not performing well atm or whatever? As im sure the OP would probably like to know these if there are any.

I think we've already established that despite owning an AMD card I'm not an AMD fanboy (so it is possible), so with that in mind I'd say...
Black screen issues may seem common, but people without them rarely start threads saying they don't have them, so it can probably seem worse than it is. That said I guess there is a possibility of black screen issues. That said, any new bit of hardware could have issues.
I think there are some kinks still being worked out in the drivers (audio issues in dx11 when using crossfire, powertune issues), but they do seem to be working on them. Other than a few issues installing beta drivers I've not really had any issues, and that wasn't just on my rig with the 290s, 7950s got it too. I know people like to complain about AMD drivers, but so far I can't say I've had any real issues. I've not noticed any microstutter or poor performance in games (although my selection of games tested has been limited).
If the OP is already using an AMD card and knows their drivers there probably won't be any surprises for him.

EDIT:
Also interesting to see the discussion around the Mantle performance improvements on AMD CPUs as I referenced it in this thread http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18594637&p=26185930, and this backed up my point.

Ian Evey · 21 Apr 2014 at 19:00

humbug said:
#, My Minimum FPS are up by 66 FPS, from 57 to 123 'DX vs Mantle'

#, I have an old AMD CPU, if i had the same CPU as you i would get the same 70 FPS Minimum as you in DirectX.

#, Even if i did have the same CPU as you; in Mantle i would still be getting 53 (possibly even more) FPS Minimum higher than you with your Nvidia rig.

I'm sorry is your graph wrong ? We are talking about ultra settings in that graph right?

Rusty0611 · 21 Apr 2014 at 19:30

humbug said:
#, My Minimum FPS are up by 66 FPS, from 57 to 123 'DX vs Mantle'

#, I have an old AMD CPU, if i had the same CPU as you i would get the same 70 FPS Minimum as you in DirectX.

#, Even if i did have the same CPU as you; in Mantle i would still be getting 53 (possibly even more) FPS Minimum higher than you with your Nvidia rig.

In one spot. Try evening it out over an actual round. Nobody plays BF4 and stands in one spot.

Well Matt probably does in his Hardcore camp fest but that's a different story

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LtMatt · 21 Apr 2014 at 19:32

Rusty0611 said:
In one spot. Try evening it out over an actual round. Nobody plays BF4 and stands in one spot.

Well Matt probably does in his Hardcore camp fest but that's a different story .

I'm always on the move.

Ian Evey · 21 Apr 2014 at 21:56

humbug said:
#, My Minimum FPS are up by 66 FPS, from 57 to 123 'DX vs Mantle'

#, I have an old AMD CPU, if i had the same CPU as you i would get the same 70 FPS Minimum as you in DirectX.

#, Even if i did have the same CPU as you; in Mantle i would still be getting 53 (possibly even more) FPS Minimum higher than you with your Nvidia rig.

You mean like this ? Not sure i have a cpu bottleneck with 1 card on bf4.

humbug · 21 Apr 2014 at 22:24

Rusty0611 said:
In one spot. Try evening it out over an actual round. Nobody plays BF4 and stands in one spot.

Well Matt probably does in his Hardcore camp fest but that's a different story .

Actually if you go back i said its over 100 FPS all the all over.

Ian Evey said:
You mean like this ? Not sure i have a cpu bottleneck with 1 card on bf4.

Why are you on the floor looking up?

Anyway. heres 200 FPS

Ian Evey · 21 Apr 2014 at 22:51

humbug said:
Actually if you go back i said its over 100 FPS all the all over.

Why are you on the floor looking up?

Anyway. heres 200 FPS

What? I am looking straight ahead stood up lol, maybe your not used to 1920x1200 or something?

humbug · 21 Apr 2014 at 22:55

?

I asked why your so low to the ground looking up, its an unusual position to take

I just noticed, your on an empty server.