Radeon RX 5950 XT, 5800 XT SKUs Submitted To EEC

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https://hothardware.com/news/radeon-rx-5950-xt-5800-xt-eec-big-navi


Is big NAVI finally coming??

 

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To expand: No you can't do VRR over HDMI on AMD cards. It's an AMD issue, it's been promised for a couple years but has never happened. Nvidia has unlocked it on only RTX and the 1660 type cards and in theory this might work on the Samsung but it varies on a TV by TV basis with the only guaranteed one being the LG B9 C9 E9 and forthcoming CX range.

I think it's something to do with HDR being tied to Freesync rather than VRR on AMD cards? Maybe someone way more technical can translate all this because ive picked it all up off reddit.

Only the very latest Nvidia cards which support HDMI Forum VRR as well - RTX 20xx cards (so 3 skus).

 

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I'm not expecting much from Intel's GPU's, i really hope they are good because #### we need the competition but GPU design is not easy and Nvidia, even AMD are so far advanced in dGPU's now no one, not even Intel are going to enter that market and be competitive right off the bat, hell the truth is Intel right now are way behind AMD in CPU design. Intel are not 'all that'

IMO Intel will introduce some cheap GPU's in the low to mid level that are a bit iffy but they will be cheap.

I also hope that VIA returns with its X86 licence to the cpu market

 

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Who said anything about an AMD card?

As long as there are muppets who will fork out obscene money for <PRODUCT X> then <COMPANY X> will see no need to lower prices. In turn, <COMPANY Y> will see no need to significantly undercut <COMPANY X> and pitch <PRODUCT Y> at a comparable price. And with these 2 companies inflating the market price because they know goods will sell, <COMPANY Z> will just join them.

Now if you fill in those blanks with real names:

Nvidia release RTX 2080 for $699 and it sells. AMD can brute force similar performance with Radeon VII so also charge $699 because the market will support that price.
Nvidia sell RTX 2070 for $499. AMD beat it with the 5700 XT and announce at $449. Nvidia doesn't lower prices and release the Supers instead for more money. AMD drop the 5700 XT to $399 and Nvidia still doesn't lower prices.

Same goes with the GTX 1600, RX 5500 and RX 5600 ranges.


So AMD are offering competitive products, but that competition is maintaining inflated prices, not lowering them. So why then would the arrival of Intel change that? Intel will just come in at the same price because the market supports it.

Now if consumers didn't buy the 2080 Ti at £1,200 Nvidia would have to lower the price. If consumers didn't buy the 2080 and Radeon VII at £700 Nvidia and AMD would have to lower the price. If consumers didn't buy the 2070 Super at £500 and the 5700 XT at £450 Nvidia and AMD would have to lower price. It's the consumer dictating the inflated prices because they are empowering Nvidia and AMD to take the ****. So if you want prices to come down, cull the morons with more money than brains.

Nvidia just announced price cuts starting with the RTX 2060

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1541...2xY49pA-lrWns7AWiohktzPG8B8I3mJp7qs1yxQ_dMsYg

 

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It took Ryzen about 3 generations to actually be real competitive and gain mind share, each one building on top of the other while having a good price at the time.
Radeon did not had that. After R290/x (whoever chose those default coolers for general customers and not only OEM was not in his right mind), there wasn't really a good card out there. Fury was meh, Vega was meh and let's not forget the promise of a $200 card with the 4xx gen which wasn't the case once more. Latest ones came at a steep price and only dropped due to nVIDIA's Supers. HD7870 was on a new node, around 352mm in area, $270. 5700xt at around 251mm in area and $399 (and it was actually supposed to be $449). Why would people get exited about AMD?!

All the features of those cards were barely used. BF4 was the major one for Mantle and that was about it, but how many were for True Audio? How many for all the other software that was put out there as open and AMD did kinda nothing for it to be in games, to be seen by gamers and enjoyed, building trust and brand recognition? Vega was sadly 12.5TF of wasted power (pun intended )...

And speaking of "humiliation", that is only in the Threadripper and server market, not desktop. Especially in gaming Intel is quite competitive with what he has. At least at this moment. If the prices of current 3xxx series were much lower, than yes, it would have been quite the beating.

Except Ryzen 1700x was faster than the best Intel at the time of launch in multithreaded apps, ryzen 2700x improved that and ryzen 3 smashed intel in every cpu they make

 

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Intel have a new gpu coming - there is a chat about the supposed 380w cpu on the cpu forum