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Radeon VII a win or fail?

Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by Gregster, Feb 8, 2019.

  1. ANDREW GREEN

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    Thought this was an interesting review



    In terms of content creation and mining it looks like the market leader. It will sell because of that. In terms of gaming, it looks behind the 2080, which maybe evens out at 4k. There maybe some fine wine going on as AMDs drivers catch up to Nvidia and games exceed 8gb of Vram or when games make more use of it's memory bandwidth.
     
  2. eclap

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    RTX 2080ti makes sense because it's the fastest gpu for gaming so it's perfect for those who want the best performance.
    RTX 2080 makes sense because it's pretty much a replacement for the 1080ti that you can't buy anymore and for those who can't stretch to a 2080ti

    RVII makes no sense because it competes against the 2080. It loses to 2080 and costs the same. Actually, it costs more where we are. So why on earth would anyone buy this?
     
  3. Kaapstad

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    2080 Ti is not the fastest gaming GPU.

    Radeon beats the 2080 in some games and if those are the ones you play it does make sense.
     
  4. Jono8

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    Yes. Both cards are overpriced with features that wont be used/will be redundant by the time they are properly needed.

    At least with RTX you can have a play with some current ray tracing games if you want (albeit with rubbish frames on the 2080).
     
  5. Rexton

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    Now that we have the VII disappointment out of the way, who's looking forward to the inevitable Navi disappointment? :p
     
  6. rs155

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    not if you are an nvidia fan it don't mate. I know what you mean though dude, same performance same cost.
     
  7. Jono8

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    I see. Makes no odds to the consumer though. It is still 2 years late to the party so stupidly overpriced.

    Nvidia are just as guilty of it with the RTX series. Overpriced for the performance on offer compared to previous generations.
     
  8. eclap

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    Ok, Titan RTX is. So yeah, Titan RTX makes sense if you have the money, if you don't, you buy the 2080ti because it's best at that price point. And the 2080 is the best at it's price point. Into which the RVII falls, unfortunately.

    The RVII is outperformed by the 2080, that's why it makes no sense for gaming. It's not even a gaming gpu lol.
     
  9. Rezident

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    It's good enough but I just don't need to upgrade Vega 64 yet. Also, seems to be sold out apart from the £800 ones so that's a win.
     
  10. Shaz12

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    Radeon 7 loses in the majority of games though. Its just AMD optimised titles where it beats the 2080.
     
  11. 4K8KW10

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    It's the other way round. Radeon VII performs normally in normal titles and loses in the majority that are geforce optimised.
     
  12. Boomstick777

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    Card looks awesome to me, trades blows with RTX 2080 and will only improve in time. A lot of negative nancys on here ..

    Like an old lady sowing circle where you all moan about your ailments and are disgruntled xD
     
  13. 4K8KW10

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    Well, I hope you will be happy when the card dumps all the hot air from its exhausts right onto your M.2 drive which is sensitive even without a nuclear reactor next to it. :D
     
  14. HRL

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    A bit disingenuous TBH. Titan RTX isn’t really a gaming card, is it. Obviously you can game with it but the price is mental.
     
  15. OLDPHART

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    Waiting for Navi before l make my mind up.
     
  16. N19h7m4r3

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    Sadly three in a row that are in essence the 2900XT. Hotter; noisier; and perform the same as the high mid, instead of the competitors flagship.

    I hope AMD have the R&D for a completely new architecture soon. GCN just isn’t good enough anymore.
     
  17. Gerard

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    It's not even that much faster than the ti, like 10% or thereabouts. So £1300 over a ti for more ram essentially...
     
  18. subbytna

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    I think you don't realise the cost of HBM2 memory. They aren't pricing it to gouge, they have to factor in HBM2 cost as well as the usual associated costs. 16gig of the stuff is WAY expensive over GDDR5 or GDDR6
     
  19. 4K8KW10

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    It is not the architecture which is faulty, it is the software that like with CPUs where it utilises less cores, here tends to like to utilise narrower architectures with less shading performance:
    Radeon VII 16 GB is about superior than RTX 2080 in EVERYTHING, only the stupid games can't understand it:

    Radeon VII 16 GB: 3840 (60) | 240 | 64 | 112 Gpixels/s | 420.0 GTexels/s | 13440 GFlops | 3360 GFlops (1/4) | https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-vii.c3358
    GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB: 2944 (46) | 184 | 64 | 109.4 GPixels/s | 314.6 GTexels/s | 10068 GFlops | 314.6 GFlops | https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-2080.c3224
     
  20. chrcoluk

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    I think the only moderately reasonable RTX card to buy is the RTX 2060 to be honest. The 2070 is a maybe, but both the 2080 and 2080ti I see as failures mainly due to their price points. But also the failures on the silicon for those cards.

    Obviously current 1080ti pricing is bad due to the fact its no longer manufactured, but it wasnt that bad when me and others purchased our 1080ti's at sub £600.

    DLSS and RT, I originally considered RT to be a gimmick and DLSS to be the tech to rely on for future improvements, but now I have reversed my opinion, DLSS actually causes shimmering when it otherwise isnt present, just standing still in a game, evident on gamersnexus FF15 footage of using it in FF15. It also seems to be restricted to working at 4k output only. To me its a failure of a technology. RT at least provides visual improvements, and the feedback from it on BF5 is positive after nvidia intervened to optimise the code for it. However I would still prefer as a customer to have more cuda cores instead of RT cores on my GPU die. Games like the division 2 still clearly show you dont need DX12 or RT for amazing lighting effects, that game has some awesome environmental effects, which looked awesome on my 1080ti on Windows 8 DX11.