Radeon VII

[Illuminist]

whats the performance like in xfire…. we know it performs like a 1080ti in single card mode, but what about sli.

I would imagine the performance at £1400 for two Radeon VII would be on par with one 2080ti and even with my big old fatty handed Titan V.

2080ti @ £1200 roughly for the duke oc version VS Radeon VII x 2 @ £1400

they should bring the prices down for the radeon vii and market the card as competition at the high end in crossfire.... of course sli would then destroy that or would it? duh duh duuuuuuh

ps I have it, they should offer a special price for two... like 1000 for two Radeon VII Bundle and throw in a couple of games.

Does anyone use crossfire / sli anymore? I thought support was over in DX12 now

I use crossfire it's amazing And 2 vegas perform the same as a 2080ti sometimes better so 2 vega 7nm will be beyond that

 

[Illuminist]

now theres an idea... AMD's version of the TI class. radeon 7+ or Radeon790

I think there will be a lc version or a vega 7 X myself just a feeling in my balls

 

[Panos]

It's a 2.5 year old late to the party Gp102 on a 7nm process, reintroducing the £600-£700 pricepoint again after 2 years.
Edit 2.5 year

Radeon VII is not GP102 on 7nm process, as Vega is not GP104.
Get your facts right my friend. AMD has a completely different tech.

 

[Poneros]

Was wrong about it being AMD cooler only, interesting. Means it will be a long wait for its replacement.

Spoke too soon. Maybe.

We all know the big launch day for the highly anticipated Vega VII is getting close and with it there's plenty of questions.
One of the questions that has been asked quite a few times by the press and even you guys is "Are you guys doing a a custom Vega VII Red Devil?"
We did clarify to the media, that at this moment we will only carry AMD reference design and at the moment we do not have custom model planned in the immediate future.
Unfortunately this news spread and we decided to tell you guys at this point there will be only reference cards.
PowerColor Preparing Custom AMD Radeon VII Designs
AMD improved quite well on their cooling solution, from blower to triple fan cooler design which will please many of you, the card offers amazing performance on many levels, gaming and productivity, rarely seen on a consumer based card.
Obviously there's quite of you guys out there wanting our Red Devil series on the Vega VII and we will always consider the option. Just not at this point.
We will keep you guys posted.

 

[LePhuronn]

Flawed logic

I can't help but think your argument is rendered entirely moot because you don't fully fathom what you're looking or where AMD is coming from.

Radeon 7 is not a new product. You say yourself it's made from harvested dies, yet lamenting a "lack of progress" because it doesn't push gaming boundaries? It's not a gaming card, it's a broken compute card that just so happens to be able to game near Nvidia's top end and repurposed accordingly purely because Nvidia's RTX ****-up opened a window of opportunity.

RX 590 is not a new product. It would appear that Polaris 30 was nothing more than an exercise to fulfil AMD's wafer agreement with GloFo and to give AMD's long-suffering AIB partners something shiny to sell over Christmas. If there was any intention at all to extend the life of Polaris then we'd have seen a full RX600 family with a 15% uplift in performance across the range. Maybe even made some modifications to incorporate GDDR6.

AMD come from near bankruptcy with the post-Koduri graphics division in disarray, and everything is focussed on getting their house in order with Navi. If Nvidia hadn't screwed the pooch with RTX there never would have been a window to slot in a repurposed Instinct MI50. If Navi's sample batch hadn't failed in September then maybe we wouldn't have even seen the RX 590 because actual new cards were coming in months.

So no, you won't see progress with old architecture. That progress is coming with Navi. That progress is coming with Arcturus. That progress is coming once AMD have stabilised their GPU division.

 

[Gibbo]

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These cards at these prices are seriously unbeatable, then factor in the games bundle the value is astonishing, you could sell these games and potentially recoup as much as £50, when you think about that, a VEGA 56 for £250 is the deal of the century.

Also the fact VEGA performance has come along such a long way the Vega 56 is a crazy powerful 1080P card and perfectly suited to 1440P gaming at high frame rates and the Vega 64 is more than capable enough of gaming at 4k with very respectable performance.

It is a great time to be able to not only buy Vega at such great prices, but these are the absolute best VEGA cards been the Sapphire models.

 

[henson0115]

Of course there is, We hear people saying this with every generation, Get a 7950 it's just as fast as a 7970 but cheaper, Get a 290 instead of a 290x it's just as fast & it's cheaper, Get a Fury pro instead of a Fury X there's nothing in it and it costs less. That's rubbish, there is a difference and it can be as high as in double figures.

5% at best with teh 56 and 64 at stock, which can easily be made up with a slight voltage drop, now get to oc you can get a 56 clocked as high as a 64 overclocked, previous gens yes you are right but not with vega. the 64 is not worth the 100 extra, ps ive tested both, im not just saying this.
and again i will state that im talking realworld performance not firestrike which means nada

 

[harmattan]

There's nothing late about it, It simply doesn't compete with Nvidia's flasgship that's all, It's only one card that's been released & it competes with the 1080ti & 2080, there's nothing wrong with that.

If there's nothing wrong with two years later at the same performance and same price, I have a lolly and participation trophy for you.

 

[Shaz12]

There's nothing late about it, It simply doesn't compete with Nvidia's flasgship that's all, It's only one card that's been released & it competes with the 1080ti & 2080, there's nothing wrong with that.

It competes 2 years later after release. Those who plonked down on the 1080ti back then got one hell of a deal.

 

[JediFragger]

Vega56 with those 3 games is cracking @Gibbo , hell it makes the card £200 if you're interested in getting all 3 anyway!!!

 

[Gerard]

Here's what baffles me in regards to the hbm implementation. What is it about hbm that makes it only slightly overclock? You're generally lucky if you can get 100-150mhz out if it, gddr on the other hand you can get several hundred MHz out of it with ease.

Clocking up gddr doesn't make that much of a difference in games but clocking hbm up seemingly does make a noticeable difference. Is it the fact it's on an interposer that has something to do with it? Or is it more down to the ram already being more or less topped out on frequency from the factory?

 

[Harlequin]

Question is - what is a replacement for a gtx 1080 for 4k gaming....

 

[Vince]

Here's what baffles me in regards to the hbm implementation. What is it about hbm that makes it only slightly overclock? You're generally lucky if you can get 100-150mhz out if it, gddr on the other hand you can get several hundred MHz out of it with ease.

Clocking up gddr doesn't make that much of a difference in games but clocking hbm up seemingly does make a noticeable difference. Is it the fact it's on an interposer that has something to do with it? Or is it more down to the ram already being more or less topped out on frequency from the factory?

Depends on the base clock of the HBM, the vega 56 has 850mhz HBM but mine will do 1100+, thats 250mhz or >25% overclock. In terms of performance that also adds up to a significant performance gain. Also consider that the GDDR clock might be high to start with so say for example 1750mhz, so with even a 400mhz overclock your still less than 25% in terms of overclock. Personally I think this is the answer, in terms of % rather than raw mhz figures the OC is roughly the same.

 

[Illuminist]

5% at best with teh 56 and 64 at stock, which can easily be made up with a slight voltage drop, now get to oc you can get a 56 clocked as high as a 64 overclocked, previous gens yes you are right but not with vega. the 64 is not worth the 100 extra, ps ive tested both, im not just saying this.
and again i will state that im talking realworld performance not firestrike which means nada

That is completely wrong, I have had 4 vegas since august 2017 and what Vince said above is what i was going to say, the only way a 56 performs the same as a 64 is when you mod it with a 64 bios, and even then some 56's are better than others.

Some 64's are better binned and will take to a 1750mhz 1200mhz hbm LC bios, like AMD Matts one (1800mhz core+)
Mine just crashes on a LC bios like most peoples

Here's what baffles me in regards to the hbm implementation. What is it about hbm that makes it only slightly overclock? You're generally lucky if you can get 100-150mhz out if it, gddr on the other hand you can get several hundred MHz out of it with ease.

Clocking up gddr doesn't make that much of a difference in games but clocking hbm up seemingly does make a noticeable difference. Is it the fact it's on an interposer that has something to do with it? Or is it more down to the ram already being more or less topped out on frequency from the factory?

Going from 800 stock Hbm to 1200 on some cards is a massive increase compared to the same clock of GDDR

 

[henson0115]

That is completely wrong, I have had 4 vegas since august 2017 and what Vince said above is what i was going to say, the only way a 56 performs the same as a 64 is when you mod it with a 64 bios, and even then some 56's are better than others.

Some 64's are better binned and will take to a 1750mhz 1200mhz hbm LC bios, like AMD Matts one (1800mhz core+)
Mine just crashes on a LC bios like most peoples

Going from 800 stock Hbm to 1200 on some cards is a massive increase compared to the same clock of GDDR

Had my 56 since release, I can get 1750 on reference cooler, keeping it in line with 64 performance at the same clocks. The bios mod increases hbm volts and removes some power limitations. But increases heat. From my testing I could get a non Moded 56 by reducing volts and increaseingcore on par with an onverclocked 64 in game. The fact that you have had 4 doesn't mean I'm Wrong, stock for stock 56 and 64 at 5percent in best case scenarios due to being overvolted and thermal limitations. Non reference might be another experience though.

 

[Illuminist]

Had my 56 since release, I can get 1750 on reference cooler, keeping it in line with 64 performance at the same clocks. The bios mod increases hbm volts and removes some power limitations. But increases heat. From my testing I could get a non Moded 56 by reducing volts and increaseingcore on par with an onverclocked 64 in game. The fact that you have had 4 doesn't mean I'm Wrong, stock for stock 56 and 64 at 5percent in best case scenarios due to being overvolted and thermal limitations. Non reference might be another experience though.

Are you saying that your 56 non modded gets 1750mhz ?

 

[henson0115]

Are you saying that your 56 non modded gets 1750mhz ?

Yes. Realistically the 64 can't achieve that speed at stock due to thermals from overvolting.it barely achieves 1600 at stock.

 

[Illuminist]

Yes. Realistically the 64 can't achieve that speed at stock due to thermals from overvolting.it barely achieves 1600 at stock.

Hmmmm, I'm not going to persue this conversation further for it will become too long for a vega 7 thread. Enjoy your 1750mhz cored 56 bios 56 on air with no overheating hotspot and low fan speed sir.

 

[henson0115]

Hmmmm, I'm not going to persue this conversation further for it will become too long for a vega 7 thread. Enjoy your 1750mhz cored 56 bios 56 on air with no overheating hotspot and low fan speed sir.

Ignoring all of that did you miss the part where I mentioned stock for stock 5percent hence not worth the 100quid. Believe what you want. Theres loads of us running 56s at these speeds without issues. Unervotin is key.
httcall//www.3dmark.com/search#/?mode=basic&url=/proxycon/ajax/search/gpuname/spy/P/AMD%20Radeon%20RX%20Vega%2056&gpuName=AMD%20Radeon%20RX%20Vega%2056&gpuCount=0
My point still stands there is barely any performance between a 56 an 64.
I do and will enjoy it thank you I always enjoy testing gpu, hope you enjoyed your little tantrum.

 

[Illuminist]

Ignoring all of that did you miss the part where I mentioned stock for stock 5percent hence not worth the 100quid. Believe what you want. Theres loads of us running 56s at these speeds without issues. Unervotin is key.
httcall//www.3dmark.com/search#/?mode=basic&url=/proxycon/ajax/search/gpuname/spy/P/AMD%20Radeon%20RX%20Vega%2056&gpuName=AMD%20Radeon%20RX%20Vega%2056&gpuCount=0
My point still stands there is barely any performance between a 56 an 64.
I do and will enjoy it thank you I always enjoy testing gpu, hope you enjoyed your little tantrum.

I'm not having a tantrum .....
Why did you link me a 3 vegas in crossfire 3dmark score?

If you change it to 1 card you get this

Vega 56 top score 7981 pts
Vega 64 top score 10378 pts

My maths aren't great but that doesn't look like 5 percent