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Raja is leaving Intel

Raja seams a quitter. He joins a company, fails his project then quits. He won't get anywhere in life.

A real man man would bounce back with both guns blazing and create a killer follow-up to Arc.
 
CuriousTomCat said:
Raja seams a quitter. He joins a company, fails his project then quits. He won't get anywhere in life.

A real man man would bounce back with both guns blazing and create a killer follow-up to Arc.
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Either that or intel has just straight up said no to any follow up or future products regardless of what Raja wants.
 
I love the incessant rumours surrounding Raja.

He is widely respected, outwardly so by people like Jim Keller, an undeniable giant in the industry and an excellent judge of character/competence.

Meanwhile redditers **** on Raja like he's a complete idiot and the cause of all issues. I'd be very surprised if he wasn't looking for the next challenge. He has been at intel for 5! years. That is a long stint for most executives, and long enough to have to clean up his own messes, or reap rewards for work well done.

TL;DR: People are dumb and are jumping on a moronic Raja hating bandwagon. He is widely respected by people that matter.
 
0h_no_not_again said:
I love the incessant rumours surrounding Raja.

He is widely respected, outwardly so by people like Jim Keller, an undeniable giant in the industry and an excellent judge of character/competence.

Meanwhile redditers **** on Raja like he's a complete idiot and the cause of all issues. I'd be very surprised if he wasn't looking for the next challenge. He has been at intel for 5! years. That is a long stint for most executives, and long enough to have to clean up his own messes, or reap rewards for work well done.

TL;DR: People are dumb and are jumping on a moronic Raja hating bandwagon. He is widely respected by people that matter.
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It's just coincidence that every major project he's been involved and head of in the last 15 years has been an abject failure. I mean they demoted him during his time at Intel too.
 
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andybird123 said:
It's just coincidence that every major project he's been involved and head of in the last 15 years has been an abject failure. I mean they demoted him during his time at Intel too.
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Define "abject failure" in the context of incredibly complex designs produced by incomprehensibly complex human systems (businesses/teams), operating with real-world constraints. You have absolutely no insight into whether his contributions were failures or successes, the constraints and resources he was working with or whether he was indeed demoted. For all you know he's been pulling rabbits out of hats.

My point is that his peers respect him and speak highly of him, and I'll take their word as worth 1000x the word of some reddit warrior who has never written a line of RTL, has no idea what a synthesis tool is, no idea how lithography works, no idea how about systems engineering, etc, etc etc.
 
I'd be more sympathetic if several of the projects he has lead on or been a notable part of didn't involve a lot of hype and **** talking the competition only to deliver a mediocre product even if they weren't abject failures (sometimes they were), often followed by him leaving in the wake of that... so...
 
MLID says with Raja gone and the GPUs under performing - Intel's GPU division is going into hibernation and won't attempt again to launch a high end GPU until 2027

 
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0h_no_not_again said:
Define "abject failure" in the context of incredibly complex designs produced by incomprehensibly complex human systems (businesses/teams), operating with real-world constraints. You have absolutely no insight into whether his contributions were failures or successes, the constraints and resources he was working with or whether he was indeed demoted. For all you know he's been pulling rabbits out of hats.

My point is that his peers respect him and speak highly of him, and I'll take their word as worth 1000x the word of some reddit warrior who has never written a line of RTL, has no idea what a synthesis tool is, no idea how lithography works, no idea how about systems engineering, et,c, etc etc.
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His boss says him leaving causes mixed emotions. That's not a glowing endorsement, usually just out of politeness your boss would say something like "it is with great sadness that he is leaving" even if you didn't do a very good job, but things at Intel are so bad that his boss has gone with "mixed emotions". Ouch. That's not some random Redditor. I'm sure he is good at something, but being head of a GPU department doesn't seem to be it. Iirc he is a software guy (so would make sense he's leaving to start a software company), but the two times he's been put in charge of hardware that hardware hasn't lived up to expectations.

I mean, if a company producing a product is "incomprehensible" to either you or him then maybe don't comment on it. As a consumer I am able to look at different products within a category and determine which one performs the best in terms of either a benchmark of performance or sales performance, as the head of that product then ultimately any metric applied to that product would come under his remit - the fact that he was demoted and then "resigned" with "mixed emotions" from his boss means that I personally don't need to make a determination on his contribution, because his boss has already done that for me.

Saying "you can't criticise someone unless you've done their job" is just false equivalence.
 
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Rup said:
A guy who has had senior roles at Apple/AMD/Intel is clearly a smart, successful and rich guy.
Much richer than the keyboard warriors speculating on things they dont know about.
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I always find it funny when people assume the wealth of random people on the internet. On these forums there is a vast range from people barely making it by through to those with serious money.
 
andybird123 said:
I mean, if a company producing a product is "incomprehensible" to either you or him then maybe don't comment on it.
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It is incomprehensible. Can you properly comprehend one person? How about 1000? How about 1000 working together using a hundred tools and 50 processes... My point is, people make gross generalisations of exceptionally complex situations. Saying that one person in such a system is the cause of all problems is ridiculous, not without an amazing insight into that person and that organisation.

andybird123 said:
His boss says him leaving causes mixed emotions.
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I personally wouldn't read into that much. Executives have to make difficult and unpopular decisions. It is a fair point though, it is not a glowing commendation.

andybird123 said:
Saying "you can't criticise someone unless you've done their job" is just false equivalence.
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I'm not saying that. I'm stating people don't have any of the required information to be claiming "Raja is the cause of all GPU woes in AMD & Intel". If they have an inkling into the complexities of designing a modern GPU, they might think twice. If they had an inkling into how complex an organisation AMD or Intel is and the difficulties of "getting things done" in such organisations, they might think twice.


It could easily be that Raja is a shocking director. Maybe he setup terrible team structures, placed the wrong people in leadership roles and made terrible decisions. I've worked under one or two directors who categorically stifle progress, quality & motivation through complete incompetence.
My point is, where is the evidence? Being hired to lead Intels GPU & compute divison is a big deal. Staying there for 5 years, bootstrapping new technology in a well estiablished market is a big deal. The timing of Pat coming in 2 years ago into Intel is a bit long for him to have been given the flick for incompetence - Pat hasn't wasted any time in carving any fat from Intel.
 
Reminds me when you get those overweight people who sit on their arse all day shouting at footballers for being **** :D
 
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