Ram question X79 3930k RIVE

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Hey all, yes I know there is some reading on this topic already but my question is perhaps a little more in depth.

So I am building a system today and I am stuck with choice of ram.
I am not a gamer or fanatic overclocker, I actually work in the audio industry I have a need for 32GB+ ram, this is where I am stuck. Is quad channel architecture faster than octa, I mean if we were talking the exact same spec memory, (not oc`d) would 4x8gb far exceed 8x4gb ? and then the same question after an OC?

So which 32GB ram should I get with this board and chip
4x8?
8x4?
2400?
1600?

Money is not factor no.1, performance is, however I don't want to pay extra for benching numbers, I will not be benching, if the numbers for UBBER DUBBER ram go past where I will notice a real world performance increase, then I don't need it, this being said, should I just get 64GB of any old 1600MHZ? Or will or will quad channel 32GB 2400MHZ be noticeably faster, I do not really need 64GB 32GB will surfice, I am just hear to ask performance questions,

I have a HAF X CASE and a H100, and I am happy to OC a little, if this makes a difference to aboves question, Thanks all for your patience and time, toq

PS This is the stuff I have already ordered and thus now cannot change


Rampage extreme IV
Intel Core i7 3930K c2
Corsair Hydro Series H100
Microsoft Windows 7 PRO 64 BIT

I will using lots of USB, PCIe, devices later, I plan to use

Cooler Master 1000W Silent Pro, is this okay?

I am purchasing a 512GB SSD, will a Crucial M4 work fine in this rig? or does it have to be Samsung 830

After my psu, ram, and SSd are sorted, I am left with

GPU and fan controller, any suggestions?

I am not a gamer, I just need a basic GPU, to take any load off of the system, I plan to use dual screens, I was thinking NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 SE - 1 GB, something like that.

Look forward to your replies, thanks again.

PSS I am ordering today for arrival on Monday, so a hasty replie would be super appreciated.
 
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4x8GB is better as you won't be stressing the memory controller as much and it also means you can upgrade to 64GB more easily should you find that 32GB is not enough. 1600MHz should be more than enough. Paying significantly more for 2000MHz+ modules isn't worth it and won't show real life gains.

I'd stay away from Cooler Master PSUs and opt for something from Antec/XFX/Corsair:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-153-AN&groupid=701&catid=123&subcat=1088
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-000-XF&groupid=701&catid=123&subcat=1497
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-050-CS&groupid=701&catid=123&subcat=1084

You don't really need 1000W so you can spend that money on a quality 850W unit.

SSD wise, both the Crucial and the Samsung should be good. My personal preference is Samsung but just go for the cheapest. Both are very reliable and Samsung put strong emphasis on that. You might find that getting two 256GB units is cheaper as well.
 
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SSD wise, both the Crucial and the Samsung should be good. My personal preference is Samsung but just go for the cheapest. Both are very reliable and Samsung put strong emphasis on that. You might find that getting two 256GB units is cheaper as well.
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And faster! My personal shout is the M4 :p just to spice things up!


tried and tested warranty is my reason.
 
Thanks a lot for your fast reply, Helios, the reason I went overboard on the PSU was as not to stress it, and try and keep it cool and quiet, should I still look at 850w, also considering I may do some OCin or should I go with 1000w, also considering I may upgrade to 64GB, I was thinking 1000w may be future proof, but you know best, what do you suggest, ALSO, can you suggest a good 1600MHZ quad kit that will work in this rig, thanks buddy.

Also if I go with a 32GB quad kit, will a future upgrade to 64GB of the same RAM hinder performance?
(as apposed to buying a 64gb kit, straight off the bat)

And thanks Jakspyder, I am about to hit the buy button on the 512GB SSD, I need to avoid raid on the SSD as the projects and data im working on is rather important, at any given time.


Also I need a fan controller, this is so I can turn stuff down when recording, for lower noise levels, thanks guys
 
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Why does 64gb perform any better than 32gb unless your actually using the full 32gb all at once you dont need 64gb. In my view 32gb actually hinders performance on this platform unless you use over 16gb. You need all that RAM because??? Less is more with RAM providing you have enough as it puts less stress on the IMC and you can gain perf with some tight 2400+mhz clocking.

If you insist on going 32 mb, go GSKILL Ripjawz 2133mhz 9-11-10-28 8 x 4gb 2133 is the sweet spot for perf and full dimm population. GSKILL is very compatible with ASUS ROG boards and all the Bios engineers, testers etc bench with GSKILL.

Crucial M4 is fine.

If I was you I would go 950-1000w PSU the headroon is always good to have with relatively low extra outlay. I have the Coolermaster 1250w so can recomend that brand as my X79 RIVE system gets hammered on the voltages and overclocking. Upto 5.6ghz CPU and Crossfire/ Tri fire at upto 1400mhz+. Antec HCP is also an excellent unit I have the 1200w in my bench Z77 systems. You said you may overclock and stable power is essential for this.

The Corsair cooler needs a fan change too use something like Sythe GT 1850 or ideally go custom water cooling.
 
Hey 8 Pack thanks for your reply and concern, I do use over 16gb, I use virtual instruments in a digital audio workstation, some of these apps are ram hogs, and I absolutely need over 16GB, so If I have to use 32GB, you suggest using 8x4, fully populating the board, is this the ram you are suggesting buddy? http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-069-GS

I am confused why it is calling it a quad channel kit? Thanks for your time bro
 
If you are not gaming you will not need anywhere near 1000w, now or the near future regardless of how high you overclock a CPU. It is however prudent to buy bigger than you need as it saves on future upgrades.

You also seem to be confused about ram, there is no 'octo' channel, it would be two lanes running quad channel assuming you filled all 8 dimm slots - this is not the same as 8 channels. Much the same as 2x dual channel - this is not QUAD channel. 2xtriple channel is not six channel memory. 32GB is more than enough, in fact you will be hard pushed to use up 16gb in everyday use and adding more will not add to the performance of the PC unless you are using memory intensive applications that require that amount, even then I doubt you really need more than 32gb!

Regarding SSD's, if you have the cash (and you obviously do) then have you not considered an OCZ Revo drive? These are expensive but perform better than any normal SSD available and would likely give you bigger speed benefits over extra RAM.

EDIT: I see you are indeed using memory intensive applications. In that case go for 4x8GB and if you find you are lacking then you can always add another 32gb at a later date.
 
Thanks for clearing that up w3bbo,
lets say for arguments sake I will use and need 32gb ram but no more,

will I be better off with 4x8 or 8x4,

Money is always a concern w3bbo, I am not interested in bench numbers, just need a powerful fast system, capable of a 24/7 stable small OC, for extra power.

I am happy to upgrade ram in the future if needed, but whats the best price/performance option for 32gb, I can have RIGHT NOW, with my setup, 8x4 or 4x4, remember this is not for benching, is this a good option http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-069-GS

Thanks again for your time guys.
 
8 x 4 in my experience.

Yes that is an excellent option.

I assist on the ROG forums and I recommend that kit a lot without problems. Very easy to set up at 2133mhz.
 
Thanks for your fast reply 8 pack, 1 last question, so far my system looks like this

Case: Cooler Master HAF X ordered
CPU: Intel Core i7 3930K ordered
Heatsink: Corsair Hydro Series H100 ordered
Memory: G.Skill RipJawsZ 32GB (8x4GB
gpu: ?
Mobo: Asus Rampage IV Extreme (Intel X79) ordered
Psu: Corsair Professional SeriesHX1050
paste: IC Diamond 24 Carat Thermal Compound
HDD: crucial 512gb m4 ordered
Fan ctrl: ?
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64 BIT ordered





Does this look okay or can you see any compaitability issues
can I go ahead and buy the rest now?

Also this is my first build, is there anything obvious I am missing, leads etc etc, thanks again people
 
You don't need the ic diamond paste. The corsair comes pre-applied with some quality Dow corning thermal paste already. The rest looks good. I'd still opt for 4x8Gb as it gives you more scope to upgrade based on your requirements, it also puts less stress on the IMC.

SSD wise, my choice is Samsung but as I said before, get the cheaper of the Crucial or Samsung. Otherwise everything looks good.

With regards to the PSU, 1000W is only necessary if you are running SLI or Crossfire but it doesn't hurt to have the extra capacity I suppose.

If you hadn't bought the H100 already, I would have recommended getting an air cooler instead. Far more reliable, cheaper and quieter.
 
I would not get that paste the gritty texture of it marks the heat spreader get some MX4 or similar. Cheap but does the Job.

PSU is fine leave headroom for upgrades and overclocking plus has a longer lifespan it will alos run queiter having such headroom.

In my eyes its all OK I am like the previous post not a great fan of the corsair but its not bad enough to say remove it and infact a lot do like it for various reasons I am not one of those.
 
I can vouch for the MX series

MX-2
MX-3
MX-4

All easily applied, rice grain -> pea size line/blob depending on IHS size. More of a pea size is required for LGA 2011.

Though i will say that i didn't notice any difference between MX-3 and MX-4 in performance.
 
Hey all, Helios I took your advice and just kept the h100 stock thermal paste, I ended up going with a GTX560 TI DC2 TOP 2GB, I mentioned earlier I wasent in need of an ultra high ened GPU so felt this was a good compromise, also it is the Asus model, Already brought the 4GB modules on 8Pacs advice Helios, and to finish it all off I got a little strike x fan controller, all in all performance is ROCK SOLID, and it has performed exactly how I wanted it to, thus far.

So anyway as I may have mentioned I am new to overclocking, so I done a little tweaking, "the right way, hopefully" and just wanted to paste the results here for you guys in the know to check, is this okay for an everyday clock, it is completely stable even after letting prime do small fft`s for an hour or so, my other question is what is the easiest way to benchmark my ram, and you mentioned getting this ram upto speed in this system is pretty easy *8PAC, is there a guide to this, Thanks all.



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VTT and VCCSA is too high mate you need to below 1.2 really on these for 24/7. I think you chose the AUTO setting???

1.35 24/7 is a chip degrader, Ideals are 1.15.

Set up your RAM 2133 9-11-10-28 2T with Rampage Tweak Mode 1 and a clock gen filter on 20uf.

Ideally you would be better overclocking on the 1.25 strap with higher BLK and tuned PLL. This often brings all volts down. So set 2000mhz memory 1.25 strap and then use BLK to get near your 2133mhz memory speed.
 
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