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Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments

LePhuronn said:
It's not aimed at a forum user here, so probably not.

I'd be more inclined to touch the previous comment with the screen shot. Surely directly attacking a forum member for something they've said elsewhere is against community standards?
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If that's your idea of attacking you must get attacked a lot.
 
Worthy said:
If that's your idea of attacking you must get attacked a lot.
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So that's the forum's official stance then?

If you think that screen capping a forum member's activity on a completely different site just to bait an argument is perfectly fine and dandy then you have issues, and is testament to how far community standards and moderation of these forums has fallen.
 
LePhuronn said:
So that's the forum's official stance then?

If you think that screen capping a forum member's activity on a completely different site just to bait an argument is perfectly fine and dandy then you have issues, and is testament to how far community standards and moderation of these forums has fallen.
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Not when said member also replied and apparently has no issue with it. He is free to report it if he has a problem with it.
 
I'd be more interested if Intel said they were going to improve their 'Intel 7' process, which everyone else calls 10nm.

I suppose Intel doesn't really have to announce anything until Q3/Q4 2022.

If Intel is still trying to win the Core War in 2022, they're gonna have a bad time.
 
g67575 said:
I'd be more interested if Intel said they were going to improve their 'Intel 7' process, which everyone else calls 10nm.

I suppose Intel doesn't really have to announce anything until Q3/Q4 2022.

If Intel is still trying to win the Core War in 2022, they're gonna have a bad time.
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I think at this point if I was you I'd be surprised at anything related to Raptor lake given the bad takes about it not existing :D
 
Is it just an Alder Lake refresh (we know the Sapphire Rapids server CPUs are gonna use Golden Cove) with more cache though :)

Maybe worth it if they can do turbo speeds on all P-cores of 5ghz or above (at sensible temperatures!), with a nice chunk of extra L3 cache.

So, maybe 300-400mhz higher turbo speeds for the whole lineup.
 
Intel Core i9-13900K 24-Core Raptor Lake CPU Breaks Cover In Benchmark Leak

Source: https://hothardware.com/news/intel-24-core-raptor-lake-cpu-breaks-cover-in-benchmark-leak

HotHardware said:
Indeed, this mystery CPU scored the third-fastest result ever in this specific test. That's impressive stuff assuming this is in fact an early sample, although Raptor Lake's similarity to Alder Lake could mean that these chips will be ready sooner than later. Of course, Intel will surely hold onto the 13th-generation parts until it makes sense to release them—like, say, after AMD launches its Zen 4 CPUs. Both families of parts are expected late this year.
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Good news - more raptor lake samples in the wild being benched. Some errors in the article though, but still looking forward to an upgrade probably sooner than later.

I wonder what order Zen3 refresh, Raptor Lake and Zen4 will launch in?

I'm guessing to order to be as above, though we'll see!
 
Raptor Lake will do well until Zen 4 launches, so I'd guess Intel will try to rush it out. Should be able to, given that it's still based on 10nm / 'Intel 7'. So, Intel shouldn't be having any production / yield issues.

I think the disappointing thing is that they probably aren't beefing up the P-core count for Raptor Lake. Intel is already ahead in multithreading, but higher multithreading performance by itself a fast CPU does not make. The BCLKed 12400 demonstrates this by beating the higher end products in many games.

So, I think the Raptor Lake series will offer a 10-20% boost in performance maximum, vs Alder Lake at stock turbo boost speeds.

Maybe the smartest thing for Intel would be to make Raptor Lake a desktop launch / design only. Then, maybe they could do SKUs with more P-Cores.

I don't think it's done them any favours making Alder Lake so much geared towards higher multicore performance on laptops, which is presumably the reason for the 8 E-Core design that comes with the nearly all i5/ i7 12th gen mobile CPUs. Some of these chips have TDPs of 115w, seems a lot for a laptop.

The 12900HK (mobile chip) appears to be throttling down from 5ghz to 4.2ghz, with temps reaching 99 degrees C. Source:
https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i9-...-cpu-up-to-29-faster-than-amd-ryzen-9-5900hx/
 
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g67575 said:
These 2 slides do seem to imply that the focus for Zen 4 is on desktop CPUs in 2022:
https://static.techspot.com/images2/news/bigimage/2022/01/2022-01-03-image-41-j.webp
https://static.techspot.com/images2/news/bigimage/2022/01/2022-01-03-image-45-j.webp

So, I think it's quite possible that Intel won't need to release mobile chips for Raptor Lake, since Zen 4 mobile probably isn't going to be available until sometime in 2023.
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Can't wait to buy it, Zen 4 + Lovelace will be a beast.
 
Dicehunter said:
Based on current info RPL should be out around end of Q2 to Q3 so roughly another 6 months at most I reckon, I hope mobo manufacturers do a decent job of bios updates so it can be a simple drop in for current Z690 owners.
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I think we'll see confirmation of this soon, would be a big PR win for Intel it rumours are too and it is a drop in upgrade.

Very interesting few months. Intel has had the best/fastest gaming CPU for almost 4 months at this point. 12900KS comes out soon (speed binned 12900k), which presumably is to take to legs out of the Zen3 refresh (5800X3D) before it even releases. Though the 5800X3D with only 8 cores won't compete in productivity vs 5900x/5950x/ADL anyway, just in those few games that love extra cache, presumably.

Then we have RPL, taking the 13900k to 24 cores launching this year, along with Zen4, assuming they both release on time. Exciting time to be a PC Enthusiast!
 
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