Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments

[Grim5]

Why not?

I take it you havent listened to any of robert halock interviews

"Hallock confirmed that Zen 4-powered AM5 processors will max out at 16 physical cores"

But sure, keep on spreading a 24 core rumour mill

 

[uscool]

watching that video about 15+ single IPC was conservative and on prototype part and was on cinebench and not across the board

 

[Troezar]

watching that video about 15+ single IPC was conservative and on prototype part

It is also saying greater than 15%, it could say the minimum increase is 15%, so 50% is higher 60% is higher, 19% is higher. Anyone criticising and picking only the 15% figure at moment, given we know very little, is disingenuous at best.

 

[SmokSmog]

12900K 5ghzP 4ghzE = 29 000~ MT CBR23
13900K 5ghzP 4ghzE = 37 456~ MT CBR23 (0% IPC gain over ADL)
13900K 5ghzP 4ghzE +5% IPC = 39 328~ MT CBR23
13900K 5,5ghzP 4,5ghzE = 41 619~ MT CBR23
13900K 5,5ghzP 4,5ghzE +5%IPC = 43 700~ MT CBR23

Pick your poison

 

[Bencher]

12900K 5ghzP 4ghzE = 29 000~ MT CBR23
13900K 5ghzP 4ghzE = 37 456~ MT CBR23 (0% IPC gain over ADL)
13900K 5ghzP 4ghzE +5% IPC = 39 328~ MT CBR23
13900K 5,5ghzP 4,5ghzE = 41 619~ MT CBR23
13900K 5,5ghzP 4,5ghzE +5%IPC = 43 700~ MT CBR23

Pick your poison

I dont think we will see 5.5ghz all core and 4.5 ghz e cores. I think the score will be around 35 to 38k with the doubling of e cores. Ill be surprised if it gets more.

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

Anyone know if there's any solid info when Meteor Lake is launching? I may hang on for that and just get a new GPU this year. Makes more sense since support for Arrow Lake would be nice given it's supposedly another decent increase.

 

[Dg834man]

Anyone know if there's any solid info when Meteor Lake is launching? I may hang on for that and just get a new GPU this year. Makes more sense since support for Arrow Lake would be nice given it's supposedly another decent increase.

Most of its all just speculation at this point, but expect delays.

 

[LePhuronn]

Anyone know if there's any solid info when Meteor Lake is launching?

Nothing solid. Raptor Lake is rumoured to have slipped a little this year and Meteor Lake possibly slipping again next year. So personally I wouldn't expect Meteor Lake any time before Q4 next year, possibly even November.

 

[humbug]

Why has Raptor Lake been delayed? its just an Alder Lake refresh.

Intel's execution has been shocking these past few years.

 

[cliffy]

Why has Raptor Lake been delayed? its just an Alder Lake refresh.

Intel's execution has been shocking these past few years.

Rumour has it the full line up of 13th gen will not be out till Q1 23

 

[humbug]

Rumour has it the full line up of 13th gen will not be out till Q1 23

So AMD will beat them to it.

 

[SmokSmog]

Rumour has it the full line up of 13th gen will not be out till Q1 23

ADL full lineup wasn't released till q1 2022. This is normal behavior, 13900K, 13700K and 13600K will launch in October/November.

 

[Deleted User 456458]

ADL full lineup wasn't released till q1 2022. This is normal behavior, 13900K, 13700K and 13600K will launch in October/November.

Exactly. Bin the top end sku's which also starts building out the inventory for the lower end sku from failed parts.

 

[SmokSmog]

I hope RPL is decent, it would be great if they can polish the 10nm Super Fin node so it can achieve 5ghzP 4ghzE with 1,05Vcore. I can do 5ghzP 4ghzE with 1,15Vcore on my 12600K.

This is 12600K with 4ghzP 3ghzE 0,835Vcore matching stock 5800X in multi core at only 55W.

 

[Bencher]

I hope RPL is decent, it would be great if they can polish the 10nm Super Fin node so it can achieve 5ghzP 4ghzE with 1,05Vcore. I can do 5ghzP 4ghzE with 1,15Vcore on my 12600K.

The 12900 can do 4.9 / 4.0 with 1.06 / 1.07 volts. At least mine can. I get around 15500 @ 35watts.

 

[SmokSmog]

The 12900 can do 4.9 / 4.0 with 1.06 / 1.07 volts. At least mine can. I get around 15500 @ 35watts.

13900K 5ghzP 4GhzE and 1,05 Vcore would have been lethal. 37,5K CB R23 at reasonable power consumption.

 

[4ndre1]

At the moment, there's no real proof that Intel is even considering Raptor Lake CPUs, it's not mentioned on roadmaps or any official slides. Perhaps it would be worthwhile if they could improve their 10nm process further, but I'm not sure if they can.

Raptor Lake might just be smoke and mirrors from Intel, or youtubers like MLID.

I think they would only release another 10nm CPU series (probably just a refresh), if something goes wrong with 7nm EUV / Meteor Lake. It's possible even though they have a working prototype of Meteor Lake, that the yields will be poor. But, it seems to be going well overall. My money would be on Meteor Lake being the 13th generation, in early 2023.

I think in 2023 they need to present it on 7nm(intel 4) already, am I wrong ?

 

[4ndre1]

Might be that it is a slightly refined 12th gen, the 13th gen will benefit from improve ddr5 support, better scheduling etc, so not hard to see how they can gain 10% or more through this alone, even if the chips don't change much.

They did actually launch the 11th gen to follow the 10th knowing it was utter and complete *****.
No reason they won't launch a 13th gen if its 10% better.
There will be a product, and Id expect it 13900 equivalent to be better than the 12900, as for the chips below that who knows, the 12700 and 12600 are excellent chips for what thye do, with faster and better memory support they'll be excellent.

I was expecting more serious work from intel because Ryzen 7000 series should be a beast by the leaks

 

[Dave2150]

Confirmation that Raptor Lake will support DDR4 motherboards - making it likely a cheaper alternative to the expensive DDR5 Alderlake/Raptorlake/Zen4 options for those seeking the best performance per watt.

Source: https://videocardz.com/newz/asrocks-next-gen-z790-h770-motherboard-lineup-includes-ddr4-variants

Worth noting that Raptorlake is a drop in upgrade for Z690 owners, and will also be compatible with the new upcoming Z790 boards.

 

[g67575]

It's only a good idea if people want to stay on DDR4 for a bit longer, and already have a LGA1700 board. I'd maybe consider it worthwhile if the current 12th gen CPUs sell for a good price.