alderlake was more efficient in gaming than AMD so who cares, the chips arent running 100% load for most peopleLower base clocks for the entire 13th generation, at the same TDPs (vs 12th gen parts):
Intel 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake-S" lineup leaks out, 4 to 24 cores and three different dies - VideoCardz.com
Intel reportedly has three dies for Raptor Lake-S ExtremePlayer has an update to the Intel 13th Gen Core specs, including the models that are not launching in the foreseeable future. According to the specs posted by the Chinese content creator ExtremePlayer, Intel is set to launch 14 different...videocardz.com
These aren't going to be more power efficient parts than Alder Lake.
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AMD is significantly increasing the base clocks with Zen 4 (at the same power usage as Zen 3), not decreasing them. So, it matters.
EDIT - In fairness though, the 12/16 core CPUs will undoubtedly draw more power than Zen 3 CPUs, but will be coolable with many air coolers.
EDIT - In fairness though, the 12/16 core CPUs will undoubtedly draw more power than Zen 3 CPUs, but will be coolable with many air coolers.
Im not sure if you are agreeing with me or not, but yeah, the power consumption hasnt changed the last years. All of their CPUs boosted to 240 watts (the high end ones of course).Taken directly from intel ARC:
Yep I don't see any sustained increase in TDP at all. Doesn't really matter what I say here but I would certainly like to see more power efficient designs all around. That's all I will say on the matter.
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A die (new Hynix ic’s) hovering about 7800-8000mhz when tuned on adl so good chance of cracking 8000+ on rpl once bios matures. Likey by eoy
A die (new Hynix ic’s) hovering about 7800-8000mhz when tuned on adl so good chance of cracking 8000+ on rpl once bios matures. Likey by eoy
**** me, I want those
A die (new Hynix ic’s) hovering about 7800-8000mhz when tuned on adl so good chance of cracking 8000+ on rpl once bios matures. Likey by eoy
Nice, had my Gskill 6600Mhz CL34 kit far too long, hope these are available soon. Probably still have the usual clowns arguing DDR4 still better, even if you show massively more bandwidth and lower latency than the best DDR4 kits
Ironically you have been the clown recently, arguing DDR4 is going to offer better value with Raptor lake and B660, even though DDR5 prices are tumbling. Not like when you paid £400-500 for 32GB less than a year ago for 5600MT/s parts, which now costs under £175 and can be OC'd easily to 6600+Nice, had my Gskill 6600Mhz CL34 kit far too long, hope these are available soon. Probably still have the usual clowns arguing DDR4 still better, even if you show massively more bandwidth and lower latency than the best DDR4 kits
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The new Kingston 6400 CL32 kits look very decent, and while still kind of expensive are not silly money like they have been for high speed kits, starting to be a good time to buy into DDR5Ironically you have been the clown recently, arguing DDR4 is going to offer better value with Raptor lake and B660, even though DDR5 prices are tumbling. Not like when you paid £400-500 for 32GB less than a year ago for 5600MT/s parts, which now costs under £175 and can be OC'd easily to 6600+
Nice, had my Gskill 6600Mhz CL34 kit far too long, hope these are available soon. Probably still have the usual clowns arguing DDR4 still better, even if you show massively more bandwidth and lower latency than the best DDR4 kits
noticed you jump on anything new even if it costs a premium didnt you jump on 5600MT/s at the start which cost a lot sold and went to Gskill 6600Mhz CL34 after not very long I dont dare to ask how much they cost do you use that speed for anything that will be noticeable other than benchmarks ? seems a waste otherwise
I would go with the 6400 MT/s kits if on Intel's 12/13th gen also. Not sure yet if this will be optimal on AM5 systems though.The new Kingston 6400 CL32 kits look very decent, and while still kind of expensive are not silly money like they have been for high speed kits, starting to be a good time to buy into DDR5
They haven't produced 6400 MT/s 8GB modules yet though, maybe soon?
Are we likely to see these before the end of the year?
I'm working on a list of bits for a partial upgrade/rebuild
Feel like I could stand to wait a bit longer even if it simply meant I got a previous gen cpu at a better price
I'm working on a list of bits for a partial upgrade/rebuild
Feel like I could stand to wait a bit longer even if it simply meant I got a previous gen cpu at a better price
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This is good to see that they continue to optimize ring with the P/E setup. One of the things that bothered me was the latency across ADL. It's better here but still ways to go.
Nice find. Looking forward to official reviews!
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Some info from ES units.
- The ability to cool the chips is greatly improved over 12900k. Similar to 9900k to 10900k evolution
- P Cores, e-cores and ring all clock higher at a given voltage compared to 12900ks when manually tuned
- You need to optimize the layout for your main workload(s). This means you need to really test if say a certain game you play benefits from HT on/off, ecores on/off/no of active clusters, all core OC or a waterfall
- The above also plays into how and if the added cache benefits the workload
- This is all on z690 boards but the only thing I'd expect to improve on z790 is mem oc
It's really a platform for tuning. If you're not well expereince going deep into optmizing the core layouts, mem tuning and through testing, stick to ADL if you're already on it. You won't see much benefit, if any, going to RPL.
- The ability to cool the chips is greatly improved over 12900k. Similar to 9900k to 10900k evolution
- P Cores, e-cores and ring all clock higher at a given voltage compared to 12900ks when manually tuned
- You need to optimize the layout for your main workload(s). This means you need to really test if say a certain game you play benefits from HT on/off, ecores on/off/no of active clusters, all core OC or a waterfall
- The above also plays into how and if the added cache benefits the workload
- This is all on z690 boards but the only thing I'd expect to improve on z790 is mem oc
It's really a platform for tuning. If you're not well expereince going deep into optmizing the core layouts, mem tuning and through testing, stick to ADL if you're already on it. You won't see much benefit, if any, going to RPL.
Almost switched to Alder Lake this year from Skylake but decided to wait for better value and to get some more E cores. Now realising that Intel is putting up processor prices, that 6## series motherboard prices went up by about £30 a couple of months ago (and raptor lake mobo prices will be even higher). Normally in this game you'd just buy the lower end of the next generation for more performance and lower cost, could alder lake to raptor lake be the first time that's not the case?
I think you'll get more multithreaded perf. from the extra E-cores at the lower end, but about the same single core perf. There could be a slight bump up in cost. On the other hand, Id expect the 13700K to be a lot cheaper than a 12900K (and KS) is now (very similar spec).
That's reassuring I guess, especially in the long term
No mention at Hotchips of the 13th gen. Arrow Lake and Lunar Lake apparently confirmed. Link:
www.hardwaretimes.com
Intel is thinking well ahead now. Foveros packaging confirmed for the 14th, 15th and 16th generations.
Intel 14th Gen, 15th Gen, 16th Gen Architectures Detailed: Redwood and Lion Cove; Crestmont and Skymont [Report] | Hardware Times
Intel shared additional details of its upcoming client families during its HotChips keynote, including architectural and technical specifications. The 14th and 15th Gen lineups were the focus of the program with a sneak peek of the 16th Gen offerings. Meteor Lake will debut in 2023 starting with...
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Intel is thinking well ahead now. Foveros packaging confirmed for the 14th, 15th and 16th generations.