Rasberry pi 3 + Hifiberry DAC+ PRO to what used amp and speaker suggestions? (Newbie help)

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Hi all,

I am very much a newbie with hifi stuff, I have found myself increasingly listening to single tracks on pc via youtube. Now feel I want to dip my toe in with something more serious, but second-hand equipment and bang for buck levels of investment.

I'm thinking the sole source will be the rapsberry pi running volumio with a Tidal HiFi (FLAC?) subscription.

Now where does the setup now only need an amp and some speakers? If so, what are good used buys?

I suspect I will be mostly listening to things like:

ACDC
Led Zepplin
Metallica
Guns n Roses
etc etc

Through to things like

Oasis
James
Blur
The Stone Roses
etc etc

Through to modern bands like

Artic Monkeys
Foo Fighters
Circa Waves
etc etc
 
Thanks for the rundown on the music.

It's usual to add some kind of budget to requests such as this. What sort of numbers do you have in mind?

In addition, the world of second-hand Hi-Fi is very broad; there are products that suit some people's needs better than others. For example, there are certain amps that are excellent but they're no good if you need remote control for volume. Similarly, the right floorstander speakers will give a much-more complete sound, but not everyone has the space for them. Putting big floorstanders in a small or cramped room won't sound as good as something more compact that works better in a limited space.

Tells us about your needs and expectations. Also tell us about any limitations e.g. if you can't travel to collect stuff or there are limits to how far you will go
 
Hi, Thanks for replying.

Budget could be around £1500.

Although I am selling up and moving this year my current room is 16ft by 10ft.

I think I loke something with a touch of base, certainly not "tinny". I live in the south east but regularly travel around Sussex, Kent, Essex, Suffolk, Norfolk. My Dad travels a lot for work so he can get things in East Anglia area,a bit of london too.

I would prefer a remote but not essential as I can stand up and change volume.

I should be able to get floor stands in.
 
Nothing properly H-Fi above a £200 budget is tinny, so you'll get plenty bass (correct spelling) from standmount speakers as well as floorstanders, but the bigger speakers will dig a bit deeper in general.

Up to £1500 second-hand is quite a big budget in relation to a £100-£150 front end. I'd be a little bit concerned that gear at that level might expose the limits of the DAC.

What Hi-Fi gear have you hear so far?
 
You can't really go wrong with a Rega amp. The Brio range has been making lovely noises for more than a two and a half decades. In that time it has seen progressive improvements to features, power and creature comforts.

The Brio-R version was launched in 2011. It is fairly new in Hi-Fi amplifier terms and was only superseded last year. That makes the Brio-R a reasonably safe buy for a novice as it's unlikely to have any issues with ageing component's to worry about.

It's going to be tough for you as someone who hasn't heard any half-decent Hi-Fi gear to appreciate when you're listening to something that is exceptional (or even just good) within it's class. If you'll forgive the analogy, it's like being handed the keys to your first car, a Porsche Cayman. That becomes your 'normal' and so you'd never truly experience just how much better that is compared to more mundane motors. So it is with certain pieces of Hi-Fi. If your starting level is way above the mundane then you'll never have experienced that right of passage that is the progression of upgrades from stuff that just makes a noise to stuff that gets your heart pumping, your foot tapping and that makes you want to play tune after tune after tune.

Continuing the car analogy then, the original Brio was the equivalent of the Mazda MX5. It was a joy to use and put huge smiles on peoples faces. Just like the little sports car then, the Brio amp was (and still is) agile, responsive and fun. It set new standards in its class. That made it a bloody hard act to follow for both the competitors and the manufacturer, but also for end users. You see, when an amp does so much right then finding the next upgrade becomes a much harder a task. It's easy to think that spending more will buy better performance. That may be true for power, but isn't the case for what really matters which is enjoyability.

The Brio-R retains the fun of the early 90's original but with the added creature comfort of a remote control. It has enough power (50W/ch in to 8 Ohms, 20Hz-20kHz) to drive good speakers to neighbour-annoying levels, and if you ever wanted to sample the delights of vinyl then it would be hard to choose and amp with a better phono cartridge input.

The 2017 version of the Brio amp is £600 at retail. If I was you I'd look at both this and the Brio-R in the used market. Brio-Rs sell for around £300-£400 used. Anything north of £400 for an -R and I'd be looking at the newer Brio which goes for £400-£500 used.

Your speaker choice is really broad. The larger and better quality speakers in your price range should all be very efficient (90-92dB/W) which means they're good at turning amplifier watts in to room filling sound. Personally I like Focal speakers. When they first came to the UK the brand was called JM Lab. I have JM Lab Electra 905 which I sort of bought by accident :D Although they're standmount speakers the internal design (transmission line) and the quality of them means they give a lot of floorstanders a run for their money in the bass department and beat many of them for agility and timing.

I wasn't intending to buy the 905s, and indeed the first few times I saw them at a dealer's place I thought they looked hideous. TBH, with the grilles off I still do. However, I was doing some work for a guy setting up his projector and at the same time I was in the market for some home cinema speakers. I had had a lucky escape on some Dynaudio Contours - the seller buggered about and then withdrew - and so found myself back in the market again. We did a deal and the full Electra 5.1 package he had came home with me. I wasn't intending on keeping them either, but once I had them hooked up to a very nice Tag McLaren processor and a stack of Rotel power amps the Electras really grew on me. I have had them running with all sorts of front end gear from little British 20W/ch Hi-Fi amps through to monster powerhouse Japanese stuff and they've never failed to impress me with their insight and rhythmic timing.

The point of this little ramble is that we don't always appreciate what we have at first. I didn't with the Electras, and it has been the same story in the past with other bits of Hi-Fi. Figuratively speaking, the keys to my first car weren't quite a Porsche Cayman, but they were definitely an MX5.

I've heard better speakers than my Electra 905s, but nothing the south side of £3000/pr that would tempt me to make a change, and even then I think it would be more of a sideways move. It's only with experience that we gain some insight. Coming in as a complete novice it's entirely probable that you'd be blown away by an Onkyo A-9010 amp hooked up to a pair of Monitor Audio Bronze 2 speakers. Add speaker cables and stands and your total spend brand-new would still be under £600. At that point you might even wonder how anything more expensive could ever sound better, but it can. What's a tougher question to answer is whether you'd appreciate the difference.

If it was me then I'd partner the Rega amp with some Focal Chorus 826W if I could find a pair. There are other speakers you could choose. Just try to avoid anything with an aggressive top end or that's bass-lite.

At this point you might be thinking "All I wanted was some recommendations. I thought this would be easy".

It is. Anyone can throw in random recommendations, or even heartfelt recommendations for gear they really love. In the end though it's a question of finding gear that satisfies you musically. Part of that journey is learning what makes "good" sound. That's something where you really need someone experienced to guide you in person. It's not knowledge you get get from reading.
 
Really appreciate the response above, I have read that the brio amp is great.

I should have mentioned I have an av receiver and monitor audio speakers bronze 5 floorstands, a centre,sub and bronze b4 bookshelf rears. They sound pretty good but my reciever is a bit broken. All the spidfs are held in by tape now and the remote barely works. Its all a very good 10years old.

How do I proceed now? Get to hifi places and listen to some speakers with that brio amp?
 
First job, define what you want.
Option A: two separate systems comprising of a 5.1 for movies and a separate 2-channel Hi-Fi system for music
Option B: a single system that does movies in 5.1 but also music in pure stereo
Option C: ditch the movie system and just go for 2-channel stereo for everything
Option D: something else......if so, please specify exactly what's on your mind​

Second, if you're planning to buy all second-hand then I think it's morally wrong to go waste a dealer's time listening to stuff you have no intention of buying.

There are also a few side issues, such as you'll never be listening to the exact models of gear that you're thinking of buying second-hand because of model changes. Then there's the unpredictability of the used market: what you set your sights on might not be available near to you, or in the condition you want, or at the price you're comfortable paying, and so you end up changing tack. That means you wasted the dealer's time twice over and some of your own.

There's an implicit deal with second-hand, a quid pro quo if you like. You get to save a whole load of money or buy much better performance from a fixed budget, but in exchange for that you forego the benefits (and costs) of a dealer guiding you through the rocky shoals of product choices. That's knowledge you have to acquire for yourself. You read opinions on forum sites, then go track down gear you'd like to try. You buy it, then try it at home, and if it's not quite right or you're ready for the next step up then you sell it on again. With luck you'll end up very little out of pocket but with some good experience under your belt.
 
First job, define what you want.
Option A: two separate systems comprising of a 5.1 for movies and a separate 2-channel Hi-Fi system for music
Option B: a single system that does movies in 5.1 but also music in pure stereo
Option C: ditch the movie system and just go for 2-channel stereo for everything
Option D: something else......if so, please specify exactly what's on your mind​

Second, if you're planning to buy all second-hand then I think it's morally wrong to go waste a dealer's time listening to stuff you have no intention of buying.

There are also a few side issues, such as you'll never be listening to the exact models of gear that you're thinking of buying second-hand because of model changes. Then there's the unpredictability of the used market: what you set your sights on might not be available near to you, or in the condition you want, or at the price you're comfortable paying, and so you end up changing tack. That means you wasted the dealer's time twice over and some of your own.

There's an implicit deal with second-hand, a quid pro quo if you like. You get to save a whole load of money or buy much better performance from a fixed budget, but in exchange for that you forego the benefits (and costs) of a dealer guiding you through the rocky shoals of product choices. That's knowledge you have to acquire for yourself. You read opinions on forum sites, then go track down gear you'd like to try. You buy it, then try it at home, and if it's not quite right or you're ready for the next step up then you sell it on again. With luck you'll end up very little out of pocket but with some good experience under your belt.

I've found a pair of focal chorus 826v for £695. How do first dietdi to the w variant?
 
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