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Mark Gill

Mark Gill

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So I am finally replacing my 12 year old PC (so it still runs Football Manager 13 fine...:)) and just want some sense checking with what I'm thinking;

Ryzen 5 3600 4.2Ghz
ASUS TUF Gaming X570
Gigabyte RTX 2070 Super Windforce 8gb
16gb (2 x 8gb) Patriot Viper Steel 3600 RAM
1tb Sabrent Rocket Q M.2 Drive
Corsair CX650M Semi Modular Bronze PSU
Corsair Carbide 275R Case

Also monitor wise I was looking at a 35inch 3440 x 1440 UWQHD display, unless that's overkill?:eek:
 
Looking at around £1600 but the monitor/mouse etc accounts for about £450 of that! so around £1100!

I was wondering about the PSU, it's been a while since I looked at PC's and wasn't too sure what the gold/bronze etc was for?
 
That all looks pretty good though I'm unfamiliar with the case. You might want to upgrade the CPU to an 8 core 3700 and you might also want a better cooler than the stock cooler. Something like the Scythe Fuma.

That's a good choice of monitor.
 
As sonic mentioned a better psu maybe the corsair tx650m, and you could save and go with a b450 max unless your planning to go with a pcie gen4 ssd.
 
Mark Gill said:
Looking at around £1600 but the monitor/mouse etc accounts for about £450 of that! so around £1100!

I was wondering about the PSU, it's been a while since I looked at PC's and wasn't too sure what the gold/bronze etc was for?
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It's effectively a rating of the PSU's power efficiency however for most of us, the more import factor is the correlation between overall build quality of the components used and the PSU rating. Theory being don't spend all your hard earned £££ on a shiny new gaming rig then drop a cheap PSU in as if it goes pop, so do your shiny new components :)
 
Entirely too expensive motherboard for what's starting level CPU.
Which won't stay good for heavier games with next-gen consoles bringing 8 cores/16 threads as base level before Christmas.
Also Asus put weakness of X570, active chipset cooler, under graphics card and to be bathed in its heat.
Gigabyte did chipset cooler lot better in X570 Aorus Elite.

Unless planning on ugprading CPU to high end Zen3s, MSI B450 Tomahawk and 3700X would be lot more future proof.
While that pricy model 2070 Super isn't future proof and much faster compared to around £400 Radeon 5700 XT.
With new GPU generations getting closer and closer it's bad time to put lots of money into old.
 
MeGaMaN said:
It's effectively a rating of the PSU's power efficiency however for most of us, the more import factor is the correlation between overall build quality of the components used and the PSU rating. Theory being don't spend all your hard earned £££ on a shiny new gaming rig then drop a cheap PSU in as if it goes pop, so do your shiny new components :)
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Indeed, that and a higher quality PSU will deliver cleaner power especially under heavy load, and will be less likely to cause coil whine issues.
 
I'd personally go for something along the lines of the following for that budget:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,101.93 (includes shipping: £0.00)

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1. The 5700XT is very similar in performance to the 2070S for quite a bit less money, the Gigabyte Aorus version is one of the best models on the market and at a good price right now. It comes with a 4 year UK based warranty, there's even a Gigabyte rep that's active on the forums.
2. Micron E-Die should clock to 3600 with good timings with a little tweaking.
3. 3700X for longevity vs the 3600.
4. MSI B450 Max boards are ample for most users, you only really need an X570 if you need very specific features, which you don't for your usage.
5. NvME is comparable to the Rocket, get whichever is cheapest.
6. Much better PSU.
7. Better case, the Meshify has fantastic airflow, although tastes obviously vary.
 
Mark Gill said:
I was wondering about the PSU, it's been a while since I looked at PC's and wasn't too sure what the gold/bronze etc was for?
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80+ Bronze is in PC tech timescale medieval efficiency rating.
And Gold become high end standard decade ago.
Losing its top position over half dozen years ago to Platinum.
Which was dropped to second place three years ago by Titanium PSUs.

If you're ready to shovel £500 into graphics card with not that good performance per price and even less future proofness for it, then 80+ Gold should be minimum for PSU.
And I don't mean some Kolink with trash short warranty, but like 10 year warranty one.
10 year warranty is basically standard for higher end PSUs.
 
Unless your PC is working 24/7 then electricity is so cheap that power efficiency in itself isn't really an issue. Rather it's that lower efficiency PSUs run hotter and noisier and high-efficiency PSUs last longer with better components and engineering and warranty.
 
Okay will swap the PSU to Gold, the only worry I had with the 450 boards is reading that some need a BIOS upgrade for certain Ryzen processors?
Also is the 450 likely to work with whatever processors come next?
As for the GPU, well nothing is ever going to be 'future proof', if I spend less now it just means I have to upgrade that bit sooner?
 
Any of the MSI "Max" B450's will work out of the box with Ryzen 3000. The MSI B450 Pro Carbon is hit and miss in this regard, but it comes with a USB bios flash feature which allows you to update even without a CPU plugged into the board.

The 'future proof' argument where GPU's are concerned isn't a good one with the way the market is right now. When you're looking at the 2070S it basically performs on par with the 5700XT which is £100 less, the only feature the 2070S has over the 5700XT is RTX (hardware accelerated ray tracing), the problem is the card isn't really fast enough to make proper use of ray tracing and there's a fairly limited selection of games that support the feature. There are new Nvidia and AMD cards out sometime this year that should do a much better job in this regard, so another option could be to buy a cheaper interim GPU now and upgrade once the new stuff launches.
 
The b450 max boards are ryzen 3000 ready as they were actually released after x570 and include a larger 32mb bios chip for the full bios support.
 
Mark Gill said:
Okay will swap the PSU to Gold, the only worry I had with the 450 boards is reading that some need a BIOS upgrade for certain Ryzen processors?
Also is the 450 likely to work with whatever processors come next?
As for the GPU, well nothing is ever going to be 'future proof', if I spend less now it just means I have to upgrade that bit sooner?
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The bios update is dead easy these days, I had to do it when I built a pc for my nephew at Xmas. USB drive with the new bios and press a button on the board. That was an MSI 450 Carbon Gaming Pro.
 
Okay so regards the advice above I'm now looking at;

Ryzen 5 3600 4.2Ghz
MSI 450 Tomahawk MAX
Aorus Radeon 5700 XT 8gb
16gb (2 x 8gb) Patriot Viper Steel 3600 RAM
1tb Sabrent Rocket Q M.2 Drive or 1tb WD Blue as above (and EK-M.2 Heatsink as the 450 doesn't seem to come with one?)
Corsair TX650M Semi Modular Gold PSU
Corsair Carbide 275R Case
4 extra 120mm Arctic P12 Silent fans (6 total)

I am tempted with the Ryzen 7 just not sure if I need it yet?
 
Mark Gill said:
1tb Sabrent Rocket Q M.2 Drive or 1tb WD Blue as above

4 extra 120mm Arctic P12 Silent fans (6 total)
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That Sabrent is QLC drive and unless it's clear amount cheaper than WD it doesn't make sense.

There's only 2 of those fans in stock and anywy normal P12 would be better with good speed adjustability.
 
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