Poll: Ray Tracing - Do we care?

[ubersonic]

Not sure why anyone with a fancy rig would ever want to play at 30fps.

Well...

30fps feels more cinematic than 60fps

 

[Ayahuasca]

Couldn't care less about it.

Nvidia physx mkII.

It's easy to not care about things you don't understand.

 

[CREATIVE!11]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Welcome to console 30fps RTX owners

At the meagre price of 1200 big ones....

Well...

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Is that a real quote? I actually burst out laughing.

 

[Cooper]

Why are people surprised/shocked?

If you want games with lots of ray tracing/1440p+ at 60fps.....then wait for the 6080Ti.

 

[beany_bot]

New tech is always going to have teething issues to be fair.

Ray-tracing is the future like people say.... but if it's at 30 fps it's not the future right now

When you say "people". You mean nvidia.

 

[ubersonic]

Is that a real quote? I actually burst out laughing.

Yes, that was their justification for a 30 FPS lock on one of their PC ports

 

[Kered_Dub]

Looking at the size of the bezel on the monitor in that video, its more likely to be one of the new 4K / HDR / 144Hz monitors from ACER or ASUS, so its possibly running @ 4K ???
Still, disappointing performance even at 4K

 

[ubersonic]

Then it's a no from me - shinies for shiny sakes, and honestly makes no difference compared to some of the good quality "baked in" lighting developers have used up until now

Agreed, unless the cards have a big performance boost in normal games to warrant the price my money stays where it is.

 

[Donnie Fisher]

Have to laugh at some of the comments on here about the RTX. If you *ever* thought that at this stage, the RT enabled games would render at similar speeds to existing non-RT rendering of games then you are really niaive in your expectations of the GPUs. I'm actually very impressed at the fps shown by the cards as a technological feat. ( whether thats worth it at the price - different story )

 

[KentMan]

Have to laugh at some of the comments on here about the RTX. If you *ever* thought that at this stage, the RT enabled games would render at similar speeds to existing non-RT rendering of games then you are really niaive in your expectations of the GPUs. I'm actually very impressed at the fps shown by the cards as a technological feat. ( whether thats worth it at the price - different story )

Jensun.. is that you??? Where do you buy your jackets!

 

[pig666eon]

Looking at the size of the bezel on the monitor in that video, its more likely to be one of the new 4K / HDR / 144Hz monitors from ACER or ASUS, so its possibly running @ 4K ???
Still, disappointing performance even at 4K

Acer Predator XB241H

that is the monitor that is being used which a 1080p display - https://assets.rockpapershotgun.com/images/2018/07/Acer-Predator-Xb241H.jpg

so there is no question about it only running at 1080p

 

[Armageus]

It's easy to not care about things you don't understand.

Which would be fine, but I would argue that a lot of people including myself could see the benefits (proper reflections/refraction, proper "soft" shadows and simpler development), but given the demos currently shown then it does seem to be a case of dialling everything to 11 regardless of whether it looks "silly" just to show off the "new" technology,

Is the people who don't have a clue that are comparing it to gameworks and sounding quite stupid in the process.

Except it's currently looking like a similar situation - it doesn't apply to whole scenes (e.g. some unlit/unshadowed cars in the BF V demo), so is being applied selectively.

Ray Tracing is what Hardware TransForm & Lighting was in 1999. It will have hughe impact in correct environment lighting, shadow, reflections. Some didn't care about T&L in '99 as said it was hyped. Today it's an integral part of any GPU. Ray Tracing may be hyped today also, but it does make a difference.

It may well be huge when implemented correctly (e.g. complete scene raytraced), or even just when the artists figure out how to use it correctly (again BF V - cars shouldn't be shiny - they should be covered in dust etc), but the demos are currently underwhelming ("oh it's just a bit shinier") or the opposite of photo-realistic, with there being chrome or glossy objects everywhere for the sake of it.

 

[Kaapstad]

On a serious note one thing I really did not like about the presentation was when Jensen Huang joked about being able to buy that 69k workstation on 3000 easy payments, I though it was disgusting and very arrogant.

NVidia obviously don't care about their pricing or their regular user base if they are going to make jokes like that.

 

[Armageus]

On a serious note one thing I really did not like about the presentation was when Jensen Huang joked about being able to buy that 69k workstation on 3000 easy payments, I though it was disgusting and very arrogant.

NVidia obviously don't care about their pricing or their regular user base if they are going to make jokes like that.

Testing the water for Subscription-based GPU ownership

 

[StarShock]

Just thinking, and I could be very, very wrong about this. But, Are we sure that the resolution will have an effect on the ray tracing, what I mean is as the ray tracing is offloaded onto a separate RT core thing, and it may be running with a set number of rays based on how its set up in the engine, it may be that the resolution won't have much effect on the speed of the ray tracing stuff. So like it can only run the ray tracing stuff at ~40 FPS regardless of the resolution, so might run 4K just as well/badly as it runs 1080p.

As I said though this is a pure guess on my part based on a whole lot of nothing. But its a half way interesting thought.

 

[ltron]

Just thinking, and I could be very, very wrong about this. But, Are we sure that the resolution will have an effect on the ray tracing, what I mean is as the ray tracing is offloaded onto a separate RT core thing, and it may be running with a set number of rays based on how its set up in the engine, it may be that the resolution won't have much effect on the speed of the ray tracing stuff. So like it can only run the ray tracing stuff at ~40 FPS regardless of the resolution, so might run 4K just as well/badly as it runs 1080p.

As I said though this is a pure guess on my part based on a whole lot of nothing. But its a half way interesting thought.

No idea, but it's too low regardless and will only get worse as games become more complex.

 

[chaparral]

Wish they turned the ray tracing off and on so you could have seen what the FPS hit was..

 

[Armageus]

But, Are we sure that the resolution will have an effect on the ray tracing, what I mean is as the ray tracing is offloaded onto a separate RT core thing, and it may be running with a set number of rays based on how its set up in the engine, it may be that the resolution won't have much effect on the speed of the ray tracing stuff. So like it can only run the ray tracing stuff at ~40 FPS regardless of the resolution, so might run 4K just as well/badly as it runs 1080p.

More pixels = more rays required, if I'm understanding it correctly, so will be slower the higher resolution you go

 

[StarShock]

More pixels = more rays required, if I'm understanding it correctly, so will be slower the higher resolution you go

Fair enough

 

[D.P.]

This has got to be a wind up surely.

Shadow of the Tomb Raider at 1080p dropping to the low 30s at points?

I would expect my 1080ti to smash the hell out of this, let alone next gen.

Not when Ray tracing, yourb1080ti might be doing 6FPS etc.