Razer HP-1 Gaming Headphones - Another poor Razer product.

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Earlier this week I decided to go to OcUK to pick up some new headphones, my sony mr-v700's are getting a bit long in the tooth and I wanted something good for games and would hold up as great gaming/entertainment speakers at the various lans I go to.

Here is a picture of them to give you an idea:


So I walked in bought them, drove home and opened them up, was very impressed with the packaging. I carefully took them out and plugged them into the back of my xfi elite pro.

First thing i did was change from 7.1 speakers to 5.1 and spend some time tweaking the settings in the xfi control panel as I had read they are not great without tweaking, first thing i discovered was the incorrect wiring of the speakers, when i tested the centre speaker, the sound came out the rear left, and vice-versa. That was a quick fix, however I did notice at this stage the front and centre speakers were overpowering and the rear drivers rather weak.
Never mind I though, time for some games, I fired up CSS and jumped straight into a game.
WOW. I was blown back at the new environment I felt like I was in, everything was very precise, however about 1 minute into the first round i noticed that any sound that came from behind me (out of the rear speakers) was very weak and quiet. Some more adjusting and it was a bit better but there was still the problem of an M3 manual shotgun right behind me sounding like a potato gun.
I moved across to a few other games; FEAR, COD2, BF2142 and DOD:S, all of them were fantastic with these headphones. Sound reproduction of people, grenades and guns were very precise and realistic and of good quality.
That's where my good times came to a sudden halt, I fired up a few more games. Dirt, NFS:C, SupCom, GTR1/2 and UT2K4. I wash shocked at how horrible it sounded, sounds were not clear or full, they were tinny, irritating. Things that came out of the sub and the rear speakers were quite frankly pathetic sounds and extremely poor in quality.
To be 100% sure I did the exact same tracks and maps with my hp1's and my v700's. The v700's were miles better, everything was crisp, full and were not lacking at all.
'OK', I thought, 'these are 5.1 headphones after all, not designed for this'

Moving out of games and onto films and music, I fired up a DVD of Hot Fuzz and watched the same 3 5 minute clips with both headphones. The hp1's were muffled, tinny and felt like I was using a set of headphones you can pick up from computer stores for about 50p. Music was the same, nothing was defined and some songs sounded horrible on the hp1's.

Finally I tested VoIP, I opened a convosation on skype with a friend and asked him how I sounded, he said I sounded like i was shouting to him through a brick wall. I checked all the settings and even moved onto another PC but the same problem. I plugged my el-cheapo Plantronics 60 headset in and he said it was perfect again.

In conclusion, these headphones are ****ing expensive, they are advertised as gaming headphones, they do a fantastic job in CSS, DOD:S and COD2 but they are absolutely rubbish for everything else.
If you own a high quality set of headphones, moving to these will be unbearable. I already have a set of good headphones and a good quality 7.1 speaker set so will not be keeping these expensive headphones.

I managed to get my hands on a set of these today:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=SP-022-SN&groupid=702&catid=22&subcat=502

They are in the same league as my v700's and miles better than the hp's for games and voip, they cost half as much as well.

I am disappointed with the HP-1's, I am a fan of razer and have had two copperheads but that was because the first one died. Which moves me onto my final point, on looking for a solution to the crap mic to see if it was a DOA problem I discovered 7 pages of poor reviews of the HP-1's on a very large American hardware retailers site, some last for a long time other break after a week to a month of use. The speakers eventually die and the volume dial on the control pod suffers poor left/right balance after a while. To say the build quality of the headphones is not great is a major understatement.

Overall, if your a gamer, avoid this product like the plague, get a decent set of stereo speakers and mic from a good brand like sennheiser. It will save you money, pain and your ears will thank you.

Hope this is of some use to gamers on the lookout for headphones and If any other hp1 owners would like to add to this thread that would be great. I'm not here to bash these headphones, just pass on my experience to other gamers alike. :)
 
I use skype/personal teamspeak server so in game voip is disabled for me, I spend allot of game time working as a team with my mates, so a mic is essential. :)

I have been eyeing up the HD595's with a HSP4 mic though...
 
What other (high quality) headphones have you tried?

If most of them are supplied with the mic broken, low quality speakers, a control pod that degrades over time but yours isn't then that's great for you but it means that it's not worth recommending them to anyone else. 7 long pages of moaning customers can't be wrong and most people want to buy a product that works first time round, not something that has to be rma'd a few times before they get a good one like you are claiming to have. :)
 
Well then its unfortunate that so many of them are made to a poor quality then.

I wanted to like them but at £95 I expect them to be pretty darn good headphones, if they were around the same price as the medusa's etc. then I would defiantly keep them for css use at lans.

You have convinced me to try another pair I would like to as well, this time I'm going to bring my laptop in the car so i can test them in the ocuk carpark :D
 
Ha, even razer admit the mic is **** :D

Will be taking them back to ocuk tomorrow, will probably end up buying the pc166's and the HD595's though.
 
Well I went to OcUK today and took them back, I was advised to not bother getting another pair so I just picked up my PC166's and WOW. :D
Speakers are of fantastic quality and the mic picks up everything very well, games are much better than my sony's, cmss-3d works really well with these headphones, dare i say it the virtual positional sound is not far off the razers ability to give positional sound. In game sounds are much clearer than the razer gunfire from all around is defined to a high quality.
Non fps games are also a joy to play once more, in nfs:c the engine sounds and music is crisp and clear and in sup com the sounds and explosions are defined but not too bassy.
As with the razer's these required some tuning in the xfi control panel to get everything sounding rounded and full, not that they were great un-tuned.

Music and films are again a joy to listen to, detail is caught and reproduced very well.

The included soundcard is interesting, it supports stereo 16bit 48k dvd quality audio in/out and seems to be tuned to the headphones, works very well for games/entertainment, in entertainment it is better than onboard audio (24 bit realtek + sigmatel tested) but slightly lacking in games compared to the xfi falling behind in games with full eax support and eax4/3.

I am disappointed in the build quality of the hp1's, with decent drivers and better designed mic they would be worth every last penny, the looks just add to the cool factor. However the pc166's while not surround headphones are proof that a pair of high quality speakers are much better than headphones that attempt to be 5.1 speakers.
 
I tested direct into an xfi, on-board audio and with the usb soundcard. (need the usb sound card for mic line in as the xfi mic in doesn't work)
 
I got my senny 595's today.

:eek:

Quality is that good.

Also,

lay-z-boy said:
they don't work in general :D

I found out the recording/volume panel in the xfi control panel does jack all in vista, you have to set it manually in vista's sound panel. Dropping the Hz from 24bit 192k out and 96k in to 24 bit 96/48k solved all my sound problems, interestingly. :)
 
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Sound on the HD595's is much cleaner and rich in texture over the 166's (161's with a soundcard)
For music and films, they are a joy to use. comfortable, not tinny or over bassy. You get the feeling you're sitting at the front row of seats in a theater musical, where the 166's feel more distant, as if you were further back in the rows of seats.

For online games they are at the same level as the 166's, though thats down to the soundcard, single player games such as bioshock and oblivion sound much more realistic though, as if you are actually the person in the game, again soundcard plays a major role in game sound quality.
With the 166's i can tell between plugging the directly into the soundcard and into the breakout box of my elite pro (has better quality dacs but ive changed them to even better ones) but with the 595's its blindingly obvious.

hd595 was a very good buy imo and well worth the money
 
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