Soldato
Read this terrible story.
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Caporegime
sounds to me the police car was doing something like 70 in a 30 without its blues and twos on.
Because had he hit a pedestrian at 70mph in a 30 with no lights on
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/8028666.stm
it would have been a very different story.
What, seriously?!
No actually
it was 10 years later
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...el-Page-pay-ex-wife-2m-left-10-years-ago.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...ays-portion-of-winnings-to-ex-wife-Wendy.html
http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co...163-2m-ex/article-2922697-detail/article.html
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It is a serious failing that the IPCC were not involved from the start.
It's not like you to generalise atpbx.
I should have added, they actually have some fully trained chimps as well.
They are not all bad, but in situations like this, the do everything they can to protect their own.
Associate
shame about his numberplate...
Man of Honour
The most annoying thing about stories like this is that the sound of axes being ground drowns out the actual facts of the case. No-one seems prepared to actually say what happened in the accident, making it impossible to tell whose fault it was for a start. Yes, the IPCC should have been called in, and anyone stopping that from happening should be sacked at the least. But that's not the same as saying that this was the fault of the police driver. And I wish to G*d people would stop saying that police cars should always have the lights and sirens on. If you drive a car it is YOUR job to decide if the manoeuvre you plan to carry out is safe. If you see a car in your mirrors - or ahead of you - you do NOT assume that it will be travelling at the legal speed limit, whether or not it is a police car, and whether or not it has the flashing lights. No, you actually look and see what -ing speed it is doing. Not the speed you think it is doing, or think it ought to be doing, but the one it actually is doing. If you base your decision on the false estimate of that speed and carry out your manoeuvre then any accident is your fault.
But as I said, as usual the press is too busy crusading to actually any journalism.
M
But as I said, as usual the press is too busy crusading to actually any journalism.
M
Soldato
Police cars log whether sirens/lights are on - i imagine this info was presented hence being cleared, odd nothing mentioned about that.. And atpx, you did read the article - CPS cleared the driver not the Police!
But poor bloke, no one would wish all that on him.
But poor bloke, no one would wish all that on him.
Soldato
I don't drive, so I probably have a less informed opinion than most here, but in my view if a police car is going faster than the limit they should make it glaringly obvious that they are doing so.
Yes people should be able to judge for themselves when it's safe to manoeuvre, but it should be a police car driver's responsibility to make their speed known to other drivers, hence the sirens and lights.
(I should point out that I haven't read the whole of that thread so I don't know if the 2nd police car did or did not have it's lights and stuff on)
Soldato
Poor bloke, and his wife? What an absolute money grabbing bitch she is.
If an 'ordinary' speeding driver was involved rather than a Police officer he would have had the book thrown at him and would have almost certainly seen the inside of a Jail cell, regardless of if the bloke in the 911 'pulled out' or not. Two wrongs do not equal a no score draw in the eyes of the Law to us mere mortals.
And while I agree that we shouldn't jump in to slate the Police, I don't see why we should mindlessly defend them like some people do.
Associate
As a blue light driver, I can't see why the Police didn't have their lights on, to me that's the deciding factor in the case of who's ultimately at fault.
I can in theory drive without lights and sirens at any speed I wish, but with that comes the responsibility of my actions. Hence I always have my lights on responding to a emergency, make use of my siren appropriately, and use the speed in which I deem safe for the environment I'm driving it.
Driving on blues and two's can be a absolute nightmare, normal road users can't even begin to imagine how seriously bad people drive. I've always wanted to film a 8 minute run around Manchester and let people see how many people don't realise we're right behind them for 30 sec + before noticing. The amount of people who pull out, slam on their brakes, speed up to get away from us, speed to catch a red light and zoom through without looking, and so on.
Today the favourite seemed to be a line of cars all pulling over for us, and then one of them then swerving back out into our path, all with a car full of children.
I can in theory drive without lights and sirens at any speed I wish, but with that comes the responsibility of my actions. Hence I always have my lights on responding to a emergency, make use of my siren appropriately, and use the speed in which I deem safe for the environment I'm driving it.
Driving on blues and two's can be a absolute nightmare, normal road users can't even begin to imagine how seriously bad people drive. I've always wanted to film a 8 minute run around Manchester and let people see how many people don't realise we're right behind them for 30 sec + before noticing. The amount of people who pull out, slam on their brakes, speed up to get away from us, speed to catch a red light and zoom through without looking, and so on.
Today the favourite seemed to be a line of cars all pulling over for us, and then one of them then swerving back out into our path, all with a car full of children.
Associate
As a side note, when in convoy with another vehicle we pretty much always have a different siren tone going and hang back with enough time to overcompensate for anyone who hasn't checked their mirrors pulling out on us, but then we drive in a heavily populate are and as such used to it.
Man of Honour
I'm sorry, but is that last comment aimed at me? And do you actually have any facts to back up the "book thrown" bit? You do remember that police drivers are legally allowed to speed when on police business of course? Whether the lights and siren are on or not?
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My understanding is that UK Police may exceed the posted speed limit in pursuit of their duties only if they use priorities. I'm happy to be corrected by a serving UK Police Officer, not some n00b on the net who thinks they know.
No, not really aimed at you, It is just in some forum discussions occasionally people act as if the Police cannot do any wrong
.In my mind it is clear - If the driver of the Police car spent an extra matter of seconds to bung on his lights there is a very real possibility that this accident wouldn't have happen and the 911 chap would still have his life rather than just the shell of it.
And I don't have concrete proof to say that it would be much different if a speed civilian hit him instead of a Police officer, but I think you'd have to be incredibility naive to believe it would end in anything other than a conviction. Another example is somebody caning along at 150MPH on a motorway only to have someone pull out mindlessly into their lane doing less than half that speed. Who do you think is going to get the pasting come court day? I'd put money on it not being the person who strictly speaking 'caused' the accident.
Soldato
I read it as he pulled out seeing no car because it was at that moment out of sight speeding toward him. That the officer who did the investigation was sacked on 3 counts of misconduct kind of points the finger of blame at the police. But this is just an assumption, don't think anyone here has enough detail to say what happened.
I have a friend who stopped short of a slight but blind corner where he turns accross the road into his drive. He'd stopped to let 2 bikes pass the other way. As he's moving across a 3rd bike appears doing about 80mph over enough to get his knee down. Who's fault was the huge crash that ensued?
I have a friend who stopped short of a slight but blind corner where he turns accross the road into his drive. He'd stopped to let 2 bikes pass the other way. As he's moving across a 3rd bike appears doing about 80mph over enough to get his knee down. Who's fault was the huge crash that ensued?
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