Of course, although the facts as presented in that report show that they have a case to answer wrt assault and criminal damage. Mr Philpott has no case to answer and should never have been arrested as there isn't a shred of evidence to lead us to suspected attempted murder.
Reasonable Force Self Defence
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Of course, although the facts as presented in that report show that they have a case to answer wrt assault and criminal damage. Mr Philpott has no case to answer and should never have been arrested as there isn't a shred of evidence to lead us to suspected attempted murder.
true - though we don't know much about what was going on - could be something as extreme as they were jumping on his sons head or might just have been a bit of trouble as in there was there some scuffle & a bit or abuse going on when the dad ran out and it all kicked off ending up with one of the chavs getting 5 stab wounds
don't get me wrong I do sympathize with the guy but he'll be hard pushed to explain how he acted reasonably while stabbing someone 5 times in what essentially started out as an act of vandalism
At least if he'd ran out with a bat or golf club and took a few low swings at them then they'd have ended up with a few bruises etc.. and he'd have still been able to break it up - stabbing someone 5 times is a lot harder to justify.
but that report is just a newspaper and it's been shown time and time again that newspapers often twist the story or outright lie, so letting him go based purely on his word seems a bit silly.
he still needs to be arrested till they determine what happened or if he's lying.
No, not at all many feel the same way you do I keep this by the door for possible problems.
Its my back scratcher.
Now that is what i need to scratch my back. My wife sucks at it and she moans when i use her brushes!!
How so ??
You (and us) have the benefit of the report AFTER the situation... You really think ALL the facts came out within the first 5 mins of the incident ??
The facts available AT THE TIME suggested different possible explanations and thus the cops were right to arrest, question and report the facts.
What doesnt seem to be reported is what action was taken with the 5 youths...
edit: let me be clear - I in NO way think he should be prosecuted but the procedure followed by the police was correct.
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Mr Philpott has no case to answer after investigation. Without that investigation (and conducting it in the immediate aftermath of multiple assaults on the scene would not constitute a sound basis for proceeding) then you cannot rightly determine the case.
you do not take a weapon to defend yourself. you take a weapon to get involved in an incident.
if your mind was on defence, you would stay inside, as behind a locked door you are more safe.
he was wrong to take the knife, more wrong to go back and get it.
self defence with a knife - you are using a knife in a legal way, you are attacked, you strike the person with the hand that is holding the knife.
attacking someone with a knife - going out to meet a threat with knife in hand, ready to use it.
there was no self defence in this mans mind imo.
Self defence (in terms of law) extend to the defence of other persons and not just to yourself and so he was acting in self-defence as stipulated
So you think it's ok to arrest someone on suspicion of attempted murder without really having any facts to support your suspicion? Sounds like something I'd expect from the East German Stasi tbh.
Imo protecting somebody in such circumstances and having to use a weapon to achieve that comes under reasonable force, if he stabbed the kid out of malice then that is when is when the line is crossed
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Kid has 5 stab wounds, man admits to stabbing him
what is there not to suspect? it does not mean the man is guilty of any crime but the arrest has to be made
police get there, a man has been stabbed, there is a weapon and a motive.
the man who is accused of the stabbing is also at the scene.
why on earth would the police NOT arrest him?
no, that is the main reason some people might carry them. however, its a **** excuse for carrying a weapon.
all these blacks (as reported in the news again and again) carrying knives, self defence? all of them? no.
these people who have died each year that hit the news, they were the bad person and were killed by stabbing in self defence? no.
They're not prosecuting him though (yet)
Facts you want -
1. ongoing fight between multiple ppl
2. 1 injured party has multiple stab wounds
3. 1 "offender" has a letter opener (offensive weapon) covered in blood which is identified as the weapon used to inflict injuries stated in fact 2.
4. Offender mentioned in fact 3 admits to using this weapon to inflict stab injuries on victim.
Crime is complete. Arrest, question and get facts and then report to CPS.
The police do NOT have the discretion here to say "aye alright mate, I see it was self defence, on your way"
The police have a DUTY and a RESPONSIBILTY to report these facts to the CPS.
Lets imagine it was your son that was stabbed and the police told you "yeah we know your boy was stabbed but we decided we aint doing a thing about it"
Easier to understand ??
