Ref Gibbo Update on 3080 Shipping

[Steviepunk]

Just that unreal 5 has recently announced their Lumen lighting technology, which is meant to run more smoothly on non-RT specific hardware. It was supposed to be on topic as I was saying this as a reason why OP might consider a card like the 6900xt over waiting on a 3080 which may never ship.

I actually thought it was the Nanite part that doesn't work at all with RT? I didn't understand all of it, but it might have had something to do with the Nanite process running during a rasterization pipeline step.

 

[Cooler running]

I actually thought it was the Nanite part that doesn't work at all with RT? I didn't understand all of it, but it might have had something to do with the Nanite process running during a rasterization pipeline step.

Was under the impression that Lumen was replacement for RTGI, so that at least in the short term, that there is a trend away from replying on RT hardware for consumer gaming.
Not saying that this is a big deal, just that if OP only wants the 3080 on account of it's RT performance, that said might not matter in the medium term.

 

[Madals91]

It was really disappointing to see the update from Gibbo on this. I completely understand that the supply issue is not an OCUK issue, but the communication regarding it certainly is within OCUK control.

Other than a weekly email giving queue position, most have sat here patiently waiting. However, seeing that any non-allocated stock and the Ti's has been going to the members-only form (that I only found by checking the forum) is a kick in the teeth - I've had an account since 2013, referred multiple other customers, but don't post on the forums - thus out in the cold.

The priority should always be to communicate with those in the backlog and trying to clear those backlogged orders before anything else. While I have ordered the ASUS Strix OC 3080, I would be very open to switching to another card, including paying the upgrade cost to go to a 3080Ti or 3090, or even one of the AMD cards, and I am sure others would too.

Rather than pot luck upgrading cards, or giving forum members cards, why not just offer people in the queue an "I'll take anything" option and offer any non-back order supply to people in the order they pre-ordered? I would not be in a position to benefit from this for a while as was late pre-ordering (end of Oct), but seems giving people who have paid and kept orders the first refusal of un-allocated stock would be more fair? Could even make it max one per customer.

 

[drnathan31]

Rather than pot luck upgrading cards, or giving forum members cards, why not just offer people in the queue an "I'll take anything" option and offer any non-back order supply to people in the order they pre-ordered? I would not be in a position to benefit from this for a while as was late pre-ordering (end of Oct), but seems giving people who have paid and kept orders the first refusal of un-allocated stock would be more fair? Could even make it max one per customer.

IIRC ScottiB mentioned that they've at least considered doing something similar to those at the front of the queues but that it depends on if it's technically feasible or not

 

[pc-guy]

So OCUK takes money off credit cards and don’t have stock and holds the money? Is that even legally allowed?

Anyway, when has OCUK ever offered stock on forum other than a single batch of 3060 and a single batch of 6700?

Let’s not get carried away. Retailers are not going to offer stock at a loss or at cost unless it is liquidation process. By the sound of it OCUK has decent liquidity situation as there are still 1000s back order on 3080 alone so that’s near enough to £2.5mil liquidity sitting there for what 9 months now.

 

[Werewolf]

So OCUK takes money off credit cards and don’t have stock and holds the money? Is that even legally allowed?

Anyway, when has OCUK ever offered stock on forum other than a single batch of 3060 and a single batch of 6700?

Let’s not get carried away. Retailers are not going to offer stock at a loss or at cost unless it is liquidation process. By the sound of it OCUK has decent liquidity situation as there are still 1000s back order on 3080 alone so that’s near enough to £2.5mil liquidity sitting there for what 9 months now.

Overclockers have made it very easy and very clear that people can get a refund at any time.

Gibbo has been saying for months that people further down the list should be considering cancelling, and I think both Gibbo and Scotti B have been saying for a while if you can get a card from somewhere, anywhere get it and cancel your order with OCUK.


Of course it's legal.

 

[varkanoid]

So OCUK takes money off credit cards and don’t have stock and holds the money? Is that even legally allowed?

When you buy a sofa you pay up front and sometimes can take 6 months to deliver. I bought a Peugeot 106gti Special years ago they were built to order took 8 months to deliver, its no different, pre order items come with T&C you abide to when you enter into a purchase. Nothing illegal about it really.
You buy concert tickets for a concert that can be in 18 months time. Same difference.

 

[pc-guy]

when you buy sofa, you dont pay the lot upfront. there is a deposit and once the sofa is delivered the full payment is made. Pplus with the finances on those purchases, the monthly payment only kicks in when the sofa is delivered.

the same with buying any consumer goods even cars. if you are not expecting it for ages, there is a deposit rather than the full amount paid in full.

with concert tickets, you get a ticket sent to you as proof of purchase and a token that gives you access to concert on the said date. i fail to see how that is the same with taking preorder and holding money in purgotary with no end dates.

would it be interesting that if the 3000+ preorder now cancels their orders and all of the sudden OCUK has hundreds of 3080 at £1800 instantly.

the cynic in me...

 

[XeNoNF50]

So with 1002 back orders remaining based on this rate of shipping you are looking at three years until Asus may fulfill all the orders

In all fairness when you see the 3060, 1080ti level performance which came out 4 years ago still costs the same as 4 years ago, a 3 year wait for a 3080 is likely worth doing at this stage.

 

[five8five]

However, seeing that any non-allocated stock and the Ti's has been going to the members-only form (that I only found by checking the forum) is a kick in the teeth

I think there crossed wires. The MM vouchers were two to three months ago. It was then opened up to whole forum. Unfortunately it was abused by a number of individuals. The voucher was posted on social media & Discord. A lot of purchased cards ended up on the auction site so the voucher scheme is on hold.

BTW 3080s weren't in the voucher scheme and the "Ti" your referred to, I presume you mean the 3080Ti, will only available in systems initially.

The priority should always be to communicate with those in the backlog and trying to clear those backlogged orders before anything else.

That's what's been happening, all non system 3080s used to clear the backlog with a number upgraded free of charge to a higher specification card.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/34851132

 

[five8five]

By the sound of it OCUK has decent liquidity situation as there are still 1000s back order on 3080 alone so that’s near enough to £2.5mil liquidity sitting there for what 9 months now.

The flaw in what you've said is that if they don't supply the 3080s they have to refund the money.

 

[pc-guy]

The flaw in what you've said is that if they don't supply the 3080s they have to refund the money.

Not if people don’t cancel and leave order there for ever as it appears everyone is doing.

if OCUK just gone and cancelled the entire preorder and be done with it then that’s probably fair enough. But clearly those who paid preorder and waited for 9months now would have been outraged.

 

[handyandy24]

Bit late to the party but has the ££ been taken out your account? If so, i agree with OC making that recommendation if they cant give you a date within a few months. I wonder if they have all the deposit cash tied up in a high risk global equity fund

 

[Freddie1980]

It was really disappointing to see the update from Gibbo on this. I completely understand that the supply issue is not an OCUK issue, but the communication regarding it certainly is within OCUK control.

Other than a weekly email giving queue position, most have sat here patiently waiting. However, seeing that any non-allocated stock and the Ti's has been going to the members-only form (that I only found by checking the forum) is a kick in the teeth - I've had an account since 2013, referred multiple other customers, but don't post on the forums - thus out in the cold.

The priority should always be to communicate with those in the backlog and trying to clear those backlogged orders before anything else. While I have ordered the ASUS Strix OC 3080, I would be very open to switching to another card, including paying the upgrade cost to go to a 3080Ti or 3090, or even one of the AMD cards, and I am sure others would too.

Rather than pot luck upgrading cards, or giving forum members cards, why not just offer people in the queue an "I'll take anything" option and offer any non-back order supply to people in the order they pre-ordered? I would not be in a position to benefit from this for a while as was late pre-ordering (end of Oct), but seems giving people who have paid and kept orders the first refusal of un-allocated stock would be more fair? Could even make it max one per customer.

Your talking out your rear end.

1) Communication has been 2nd to none with Gibbo posting updates of what stock is due in and when. He's also posted in updates not just on the whole backlog but by individual SKU's and maintained a convoluted custom queue for 9 months for 1000s of people so they can track their position.

2) OCUK have generously upgraded for free some people's back orders to higher end SKU's to help clear down the queue.

3) 3080's were never in the voucher system

4) You say you would consider switching to another card and paying the difference. Well then go right ahead there are 6700XT's and 6900XT's available to buy so call the main number and tell the sales agent which card you want and cancel your pre order.

 

[pc-guy]

I wonder if they have all the deposit cash tied up in a high risk global equity fund

maybe invested in the crypto…

 

[Joxeon]

maybe invested in the crypto…

You say that but anyone who invested £700 in September in doge instead sitting in the wait queue would have £63000 now even after the recent crashes.

 

[The_Arbiter]

4) You say you would consider switching to another card and paying the difference. Well then go right ahead there are 6700XT's and 6900XT available to buy so call the main number and the sales agent which card you want and cancel your pre order.

All valid points but #4 made me laugh a bit as i had the same thought. There's loads of AMD cards readily available now. Blind brand loyalty has shown through a lot now. The real gamers struggling are the budget ones. Buying budget now is a downgrade for many, and at serious cost. Least with the paying £700+ you're getting the creme de la creme, or whatever.

 

[flytelo]

You say that but anyone who invested £700 in September in doge instead sitting in the wait queue would have £63000 now even after the recent crashes.

Just about enough to buy an rx580 now then

 

[varkanoid]

when you buy sofa, you dont pay the lot upfront. there is a deposit and once the sofa is delivered the full payment is made. Pplus with the finances on those purchases, the monthly payment only kicks in when the sofa is delivered.

the same with buying any consumer goods even cars. if you are not expecting it for ages, there is a deposit rather than the full amount paid in full.

with concert tickets, you get a ticket sent to you as proof of purchase and a token that gives you access to concert on the said date. i fail to see how that is the same with taking preorder and holding money in purgotary with no end dates.

Still paying up front for an item thats not yet delivered whether it be part payment or full payment regardless of end date. Of course its the same. Only difference is with the GPU's you are not getting an eta instead you are being told not much chance of it being delivered so they are offering your right to cancel as a viable option. Just because you dont like it doesnt mean its wrong. I can see why people are annoyed but so what its not exactly "normal" circumstances.
Blame the car industry, blame the mobile phone providers they are the ones nicking the foundry slots. Can you not see how ridiculous the blame game arguement is ?


The last sofa we bought was paid in full and my car was also paid in full. No credit or finance.

 

[five8five]

Not if people don’t cancel and leave order there for ever as it appears everyone is doing.

if OCUK just gone and cancelled the entire preorder and be done with it then that’s probably fair enough. But clearly those who paid preorder and waited for 9months now would have been outraged.

You don't have to be Mystic Meg to have seen the writing on the wall a long time ago. The lack of stock coming in and reports on here and elsewhere of queues worldwide showed how dire the situation really is. I can fully understand people with low queue positions holding out.

OC could've saved loads of cash if they'd cancelled the orders last year. Fair play to them though for continuing to fulfill the orders and even upgrading some. Ultimately, it's been the lack of stock, cards distributed too thinly, that has hampered them.