Refusing to fill out the census

ScarySquirrel said:
I do hope everyone that refused to complete the census gets completely owned with fines and stuff. Idiots.
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I hope the hypocrites in this thread get arrested and fined for all the 'illegal' things they do as a matter of course. Obviously the saddos here never had sex before they were 16, never watched an 'Adult' movie or drank until they were 18, have never broken the speed limit....

But of course when it comes to filling in bits of paper you're all ready to dive off a cliff in your hurry to complete it!!
 
Tefal said:
See that's what i don't get they believe all the lizard men, super secret world government that quietly kills dissidents yet they stand on a soapbox and yell about it?

Surely they should have been killed by the government now, or at the very least be under surveillance.

wouldn't the intelligent paranoid person never act as anything other than a "sheep" to avoid detection.

It always strikes me more as people wanting to feel important by believing they're part of some big "resistance" and one of the few who know the "truth" and so feel the need to shout about it.
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I think this is the problem, you hear a few news articles every few years about how the governments lost data and all of a sudden you have some group of anti-government people bind together and refuse to cooperate with situations like the census.
 
Tefal said:
See that's what i don't get they believe all the lizard men, super secret world government that quietly kills dissidents yet they stand on a soapbox and yell about it?

Surely they should have been killed by the government now, or at the very least be under surveillance.

wouldn't the intelligent paranoid person never act as anything other than a "sheep" to avoid detection.

It always strikes me more as people wanting to feel important by believing they're part of some big "resistance" and one of the few who know the "truth" and so feel the need to shout about it.
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There's no logic behind it because all they want is acceptance from some form of peer group. Lizardmen is just a front. Mummy didn't hug them enough so they make up for it with a tin foil hat, paunch and no lady love.
 
vonhelmet said:
Now that I think of it, why is groen even talking about a contract? You don't agree to abide by the laws of the land. The laws apply, full stop. They don't apply to you just because you agree to them.
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Do you really want the answer? It's almost certainly to do with the "freeman" concept because they also refer to the census as a contract and it's based on half understood concepts so while there may be grains of truth in what they claim the majority simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny as the analysis is fundamentally flawed. As you say you don't choose which laws you obey or if you do then you must not be surprised when consequences follow for disobeying them - don't whinge about it being unfair when it was a choice not to follow them.
 
Energize said:
So much money squandered on the census that could be spent on giving someone cancer treatment. :(
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Eh? The government needs to spend money on more things than cancer treatments. Censuses have been going on for hundreds of years. There's nothing evil or sinister about them. If it wasn't for censuses the government wouldn't know where to build the next new hospital or who needed it the most.
 
Hamish said:
Eh? The government needs to spend money on more things than cancer treatments. Censuses have been going on for hundreds of years. There's nothing evil or sinister about them. If it wasn't for censuses the government wouldn't know where to build the next new hospital or who needed it the most.
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You mean which hospital to close next...
 
Whats the big deal anyway, fill it out, send it off forget about it.

unless your an immigrant amongst 9 others living illegally in the same house, I dont get what the fuss is about. only takes about 10 mins and your done.
 
vonhelmet said:
Our country is broke. Cuts have to be made somewhere. Anything who knows whether 1 is more or less than 2 should be able to spot that.
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That's not actually true though, is it? As a percentage of GDP, we have had worse debt than this in the past generation, and it's tiny compared to what it was over the majority of the last 150 years.

After WW2 we had huge levels of debt. Did we pointlessly try to cut and save money here and there in order to pay it back? No, as i recall we set up the welfare state.
 
Moses said:
Set up the welfare state in a way which is completely alien to how it is now.
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So you improve it, you don't scrap it. I don't care about debt, it's just a number. Incidentally, a number that is greater than the total amount of actual money in the world. Pay back as much debt as you can with every last penny and you're still in ****loads of debt.

No, i'd rather live in a country that values it's citizens and the quality of the services it provides over one that will stop at nothing to move the figures round a bit.
 
Superewza said:
That's not actually true though, is it? As a percentage of GDP, we have had worse debt than this in the past generation, and it's tiny compared to what it was over the majority of the last 150 years.

After WW2 we had huge levels of debt. Did we pointlessly try to cut and save money here and there in order to pay it back? No, as i recall we set up the welfare state.
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But it isn't the debt that is the real problem, but the deficit, aka the rate the debt is increasing at...

I can't work out why so many on the left fail to grasp this, it is either incredible stupidity or willful misrepresentation...
 
Superewza said:
So you improve it, you don't scrap it. I don't care about debt, it's just a number. Incidentally, a number that is greater than the total amount of actual money in the world. Pay back as much debt as you can with every last penny and you're still in ****loads of debt.

No, i'd rather live in a country that values it's citizens and the quality of the services it provides over one that will stop at nothing to move the figures round a bit.
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Who has advocated scrapping it? Most people are advocating reform to make it fit for purpose and bring it back into line with Beveridge's ideals and recognise his warnings...
 
Energize said:
So much money squandered on the census that could be spent on giving someone cancer treatment. :(
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Absolutely, I hear all the census money came out of the cancer treatmen pot and there is, as we speak, people being denied cancer treatment because we spent the money on a census.

Energize said:
You mean which hospital to close next...
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Which acute hospitals have closed in the last 5 years due to money problems?

Are you just ranting for the sake of it? Is letting fact get in the way of your rants a bit inconvenient?
 
Don't care for him because he's a tit!

But I really wanted to see what her face looked like, smoking hot legs though!
 
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