Refusing to fill out the census

dekez · 26 Apr 2011 at 14:53

Argh these people are such ****ing idiots. Just fill in the form FFS.

For all those people worried about their precious "details", sorry but don't be so paranoid, it's not anything you haven't filled in a thousand times before on other forms / applications / social sites etc. etc. If "the system / government" wanted your details so badly they would just get them from the hundreds of databases you are already on, but they don't because believe it or not, in the grand scale of things, you are not that important.

muon · 26 Apr 2011 at 15:07

doofer said:
It's funny how the people who all comply because it's the 'Law' and they 'have' to say the ones who refuse to fill it in are idiots.

We all do lots of things because its the law e.g. pay taxes.

You all should know that the Company charged with running the Census is a USA Company, as such is required by US Laws to give all data to the CIA/FBI, no big deal you say, just remember the USA can and does extract 'Suspects' from their Sovereign Countries without recourse from UK Law, it imprisons 'Suspects' illegally in all International Law, Tortures 'Suspects' again against all Internationally recognised conventions. No big deal you say, you have nothing to hide right?

Lockheed Martin designed the collection process. All data is collected by the ONS and kept by the ONS.

Fact is, mistakes in Databases happen all the time, Data is lost, stolen, bought/sold, altered, incorrect, untrustworthy, it could be YOU the CIA/FBI mistake calls Al-Qaeda No.1 most wanted, but still no big deal right?

In 1930's Germany the Census records there were used by the Nazis (OMG Godwins!!) to target Jewish Families, who had filled it all in, in good faith at the time, as it does no harm right?

Wait, don't you say below that the Government has all the information anyway? Also, you can refuse to answer the religion question.

The Govt. already knows EVERYTHING about you if you are a PAYE/Benefits, have NI Number, Passport, Car, so why does it need the information it already has?

Information isn't aggregated and is incomplete. This isn't a point of finding individual specific data.

It is illegal in the UK to send unsolicited goods, which is basically what the Census is, as if you refuse to comply, you have a chance of being charged for not filling it in.

But hey, just do as you are told sheeple.

I suggest what the legal definition of goods is before making that claim. Otherwise you can easily reject all communication.

RDM · 26 Apr 2011 at 15:09

doofer said:
You all should know that the Company charged with running the Census is a USA Company, as such is required by US Laws to give all data to the CIA/FBI

You are wrong.

mmj_uk · 26 Apr 2011 at 15:10

doofer said:
It's funny how the people who all comply because it's the 'Law' and they 'have' to say the ones who refuse to fill it in are idiots.

This is a good point, for example pre-war Germany made it lawful to persecute the Jews, then the animal/herd mentality kicked in and the rest they say is history - I'm sure there were plenty of 'idiots' back then defending the treatment of Jews.

Most people treat law as if it were the holy bible, in most part it's simply a method of control by the state just like religion used to be.

Nexus · 26 Apr 2011 at 15:14

steve-h said:
hardly conclusive evidence

True.

But his manner of making it his mission to fight something as silly as the Census says a lot about him.

muon · 26 Apr 2011 at 15:15

mmj_uk said:
This is a good point, for example pre-war Germany made it lawful to persecute the Jews, then the animal/herd mentality kicked in and the rest they say is history - I'm sure there were plenty of 'idiots' back then defending the treatment of Jews.

Most people treat law as if it were the holy bible, in most part it's simply a method of control by the state just like religion used to be.

Are we legalising the persecution of Jews here?

steve-h · 26 Apr 2011 at 15:19

doofer said:
Fact is, mistakes in Databases happen all the time, Data is lost, stolen, bought/sold, altered, incorrect, untrustworthy, it could be YOU the CIA/FBI mistake calls Al-Qaeda No.1 most wanted, but still no big deal right?

ghost101 said:
Are we legalising the persecution of Jews here?

They weren't in Germany at the time.

Lightnix · 26 Apr 2011 at 15:30

ghost101 said:
Are we legalising the persecution of Jews here?

No, but a having critical eye is a good thing.

RDM · 26 Apr 2011 at 15:53

Lightnix said:
No, but a having critical eye is a good thing.

Maybe with a critical eye we have decided that "No, there isn't anything overly sinister about the census so the law isn't actually a bad thing in this case."?

guyfawkes5 · 26 Apr 2011 at 16:04

Atrox Moris said:
My brother got a letter in the post from the MOD during one of the many occasions the British government lost peoples personal information and was told that his information had been lost, which meant of course for us living in Northern Ireland that it carries a very significant security risk. He missed the PT by a minute or something so thankfully couldn't get in that time. So he went to Oz instead.

But his details, linking him to this house are still out there somewhere making this house the possible residence of someone working with the security services.

Mhmm... but does this mean data loss it is 'inevitable' or happens to everyone?

guyfawkes5 · 26 Apr 2011 at 16:05

teaboy5 said:
They are hardly lowly paid! I know someone doing it and they are getting paid a good bit of money plus something like 46p for mileage and they have done around 500 mile already.

Everything's relative I guess...

Lightnix · 26 Apr 2011 at 16:09

RDM said:
Maybe with a critical eye we have decided that "No, there isn't anything overly sinister about the census so the law isn't actually a bad thing in this case."?

I'd have to agree.

But then the context of that discussion seemed to have gone onto laws that were passed in general as opposed to specifically the census act, or at least that's the way I'd interpreted it.

Wicksta · 26 Apr 2011 at 16:09

doofer said:
In 1930's Germany the Census records there were used by the Nazis (OMG Godwins!!) to target Jewish Families, who had filled it all in, in good faith at the time, as it does no harm right?

You've heard of Godwin's law I take it? Adding it to your post doesn't make you exempt you know.

Robbo · 26 Apr 2011 at 16:29

'Shock as idiot with nothing better to do refuses to fill government form in'

What a ******.

Efour · 26 Apr 2011 at 16:35

Robbo said:
'Shock as idiot with nothing better to do refuses to fill government form in'

What a ******.

lol pretty much sums it up.

Why do people think that not answering the 20 questions here makes them anonymous... They could probably complie the information from the trouble makers just from benefit and criminal records. It truley is a complete waste of their own and others time and money, but woot i beat the system yo !

right?

cheets64 · 26 Apr 2011 at 16:43

I love the 2nd vid when he goes on about Lockhead and uranium shells and terrorism then starts to stutter and forget his preplanned speech to 2 women probably a 2nd job going round on a summers day just being polite.

FIGHT THE SYSTEM

franco_22 · 26 Apr 2011 at 16:53

cheets64 said:
I love the 2nd vid when he goes on about Lockhead and uranium shells and terrorism then starts to stutter and forget his preplanned speech to 2 women probably a 2nd job going round on a summers day just being polite.

FIGHT THE SYSTEM

LOL they are also behind Guantanamo Bay, someone should tell the US they don't have to worry about UN actions against them anymore

steve-h · 26 Apr 2011 at 17:16

Efour2 said:
lol pretty much sums it up.

Why do people think that not answering the 20 questions here makes them anonymous...

I don't think they do. They just don't want to be a part of any system that enslaves and hurts people.

Efour2 said:
They could probably complie the information from the trouble makers just from benefit and criminal records.

Bit irrelevant? Or are you assuming they're criminals or on benefits?

Efour2 said:
It truley is a complete waste of their own and others time and money, but woot i beat the system yo !

right?

Are you talking about the census? I'm not sure how they waste their time by doing nothing... or their money - through tax I suppose.

Surfer · 26 Apr 2011 at 17:33

So if he doesnt fill out the form i guess he doesnt expect any help from the nhs, police, fire, council services etc.

The kind of information you put in the form (basic stuff) is there to help society infrastructure work better.

By not filling out the form he's just giving an immature 1 finger salute to what he thinks is "the system/the man" / evil government etc etc But really all hes doing is shafting himself......

Theres barely enough in the form to send to marketing companies either.

If its data protection and the privacy of the individual that one wants to fight for then there are better and more valid issues than the census lol

Tombo · 26 Apr 2011 at 17:37

steve-h said:
I don't think they do. They just don't want to be a part of any system that enslaves and hurts people..

lolwat