Religion and tolerance.

[jamoor]

LOL, Clearly has never been to/experienced a third world country.

Uncultured fool!

Should send him for a fortnight to downtown Kabul, then he will be pining to breathe some of Heathrows' kersone enriched air.

 

[Skull]

How many people here have ever had a doctor who couldn't speak English?

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

Lol... not been on ocuk long with this account have you?

Fixed

 

[Energize]

So let's go back to the sentence.

"No because the service is just terrible, although I suppose doctors not speaking intelligible English can contribute to that."

I was referring the 3rd world comment which you used in conjunction with that sentence.

So its cheaper in France, Germany, USA, Australia, Japan? You do realise that in the UK prescription charges are simply another source of money for the NHS? So this would be captured by your insurance premiums anyway. In France you have to be coinsured. The others, I'm not sure how the systems work.

When you are prescribed medication privately you pay the pharmacy the cost of the medication. I eventually got a private prescription which I then gave to the pharmacy who charged me £3.50 for it.

It seems only the US and France have approved bupropion. So that is 2 first world countries.

No it's also approved in Canada, Australia and the Netherlands off the top of my head.

You're a medical standards researcher? What's this based on.

Data from the WHO and personal experience.

 

[muon]

I was referring the 3rd world comment which you used in conjunction with that sentence.

Still don't see a point. I'm completely missing what you're trying to say, and so you will have to just say it rather than hoping I catch on.

When you are prescribed medication privately you pay the pharmacy the cost of the medication. I eventually got a private prescription which I then gave to the pharmacy who charged me £3.50 for it.

So it worked out cheaper? No of course it didn't. You had to see a private doctor.

No it's also approved in Canada, Australia and the Netherlands off the top of my head.

Yep, I did amend my comment. I suspect the medication is easily available in 3rd world countries. So I don't see a correlation.

Data from the WHO and personal experience.

I've never seen data on healthcare standards from the WHO. I would very much appreciate it if you could point me to this data.

Healthcare indicators based on how much you spend on healthcare and/or the quality of health of the populace isn't really relevant to this debate. You simply cannot isolate causation.

 

[Glaucus]

"a new and aggressive atheism".

He's right. the extremist religions are that fringe extremists. Yet atheism in the extreme form, seems to be acceptable and expanding rapidly outside of a fringe movement.
Far to many intolerant people in the world.

A big reason why a lot of third world countries are so crippled with aids is because his idiotic religion told them to not use condoms. Oops.

Oops they can only have sex in marriage and not sleep about and use whores. Can't blame him for that. either they follow everything he says or none of it, can't pick and choose. They don't ware protection because they don't wont to or don't have the education.

 

[Castiel]

Just Lol, both to the article and the OP.

 

[markweatherill]

The German-born Cardinal was quoted as saying to the country's Focus magazine that "when you land at Heathrow you think at times you have landed in a Third World country".

Would you and your Pope prefer a Third Reich country?

 

[Greenlizard0]

He's right. the extremist religions are that fringe extremists. Yet atheism in the extreme form, seems to be acceptable and expanding rapidly outside of a fringe movement.
Far to many intolerant people in the world.

True in a vague sense, but at least this isn't as aggressive or violent.

Sorry being a bit facetious.

Oops they can only have sex in marriage and not sleep about and use whores. Can't blame him for that. either they follow everything he says or none of it, can't pick and choose. They don't ware protection because they don't wont to or don't have the education.

But a lot of these problems are stemming from sleeping about and using prostitutes. That's a part of the religion they just don't use, yet for some reason the church is either utterly naive about that going on (but how?) or they themselves are really misguided about giving advice not to use condoms. It's ridiculously obvious there's an AIDS problem going on in that part of the world, giving such advice is utterly irresponsible (even if they to more quietly tell them not to shag about).

Don't forget too that part of being the faith also entails them to take those messages only and ignore other advice. Sadly it still sometimes goes on even in this country, I'm sure there have been issues where strong Muslim or Catholic G.P.s have been refusing to give out the morning after pill for example.

 

[Danthus]

Just Lol, both to the article and the OP.

Why lol ?!

 

[A.N.Other]

The Vatican said the Cardinal had not intended "any kind of slight"

Really? How did they manage to get that view from the remarks?

 

[Energize]

Still don't see a point. I'm completely missing what you're trying to say, and so you will have to just say it rather than hoping I catch on.

I can't explain it any more simply.

So it worked out cheaper? No of course it didn't. You had to see a private doctor.

Actually I managed to get a private prescription for a derivative drug from the NHS doctor eventually. However with the amount of tax paid, a private doctor would work out cheaper. Besides which these drugs should be available without prescription anyway.

Yep, I did amend my comment. I suspect the medication is easily available in 3rd world countries. So I don't see a correlation.

Indeed it probably is available in 3rd world countries which would prove my point even more about the low standards in the UK.

I've never seen data on healthcare standards from the WHO. I would very much appreciate it if you could point me to this data.

Healthcare indicators based on how much you spend on healthcare and/or the quality of health of the populace isn't really relevant to this debate. You simply cannot isolate causation.

"Integrating mental health into primary care: a global perspective" was the book I read, which shows how GP's in other countries manage to perform much better.

 

[NickK]

The Catholic Church never stop surprising me !

Yes.. nobody expects the spanish inquisition either..

 

[Angilion]

He has lived a privileged life detached from the real world for too long and has made a fool of themself with bizarre insults.

I'm more insulted by the "no offence" comment from the Vatican, although I realise that's just the usual PR babble that no-one is supposed to take seriously.

Hey hey hey! The church is a tyrannical organisation of bigots and idiots that does far more harm than good and is un-Christian anyway(*). No slight intended, obviously.


* N.B. This isn't actually my view. I'm making a point.

 

[Glaucus]

yet for some reason the church is either utterly naive about that going on (but how?) or they themselves are really misguided

It's against the rules, it has little to do with the church and everything to do with the people following the religion. if they followed all the church rules they would be safe or as near as. The rules work as a whole, you can't pick and choose which to follow then blame the church when it goes wrong.

Just like you can;t pick which H&S laws to follow and if you don;t follow one rule, you can't then go and blame the company for your stupidity.

There's a lot of reasons to dislike the pope and Catholicism, not supporting condoms is not one of them.

 

[Castiel]

Why lol ?!

Well let's see, we have a story in the national news which was pulled from some German magazine which states that some 77 year old man feels that Britain, when landing at Heathrow looks like a third world country. He is obviously referring to the multicultural aspect of Britain and the large number of foreign nationals working within Heathrow, neither of which are untrue.

I would expect that there are many over 70's, men and women that have the same viewpoint whether they be from Britain or not, or whether they be catholic or not.

I do not feel that this part of the argument is relevant to his religion or his position.

As for his second claim that Britain is showing a new and aggressive atheism, I would agree with him, we only have to see the reaction of many Posters here to any religious thread to see that aggressive atheism is on the increase. We can either disagree with him rationally or not, simply dismissing his opinion on a religious or belief topic because he is a catholic or has a medical condition that has nothing to do with his opinion is frankly laughable as is the OP title Religion and Tolerance as the thread has little to do with either...hence LOL at the article and the OP.

 

[Rameses]

The article shows that the OP's title displays how those two words (Religion & Tolerance) don't work together.

Remember kids, one religion is better than another and they will tell you this until it causes another world war, the next I predict will devastate this earth in the defence of 'their' believe in God.

 

[muon]

@Castiel

Hence I have focussed on the Vatican's response more than anything. Why are they saying that he's referring to the multicultural aspect, as if thats any better than slighting the UK?

edit:

I'm not implying that the Vatican is racist or anything. That'd be very difficult to argue. However, it is a terrible response.

 

[Castiel]

@Castiel

Hence I have focussed on the Vatican's response more than anything. Why are they saying that he's referring to the multicultural aspect, as if thats any better than slighting the UK?

Indeed, but the article doesn't really give the context for the Vatican's reply.

It may be as I said, simply an old man feeling that being surrounded by people of a predominantly non-European origin is indicative of an African country, and within that context the Vatican's reply is acceptable enough, I don't think calling the UK multicultural can really be taken as a slight or insult.

It is not indicative of either his Religion or Tolerance. It is indicative of a certain Generations perception of the world around them and how that is usually mired in the past in which they grew up. It is no different for anyone of that age.

 

[Greenlizard0]

It's against the rules, it has little to do with the church and everything to do with the people following the religion. if they followed all the church rules they would be safe or as near as. The rules work as a whole, you can't pick and choose which to follow then blame the church when it goes wrong.

Just like you can;t pick which H&S laws to follow and if you don;t follow one rule, you can't then go and blame the company for your stupidity.

There's a lot of reasons to dislike the pope and Catholicism, not supporting condoms is not one of them.

You can if one of the rules is out of order considering the related problems and issues around it. It's well known that a massive risk factor for the transference of the HIV is unprotected sex. It's all clear as day what impact it's having in Africa, yet with all this evidence - they still come out and tell people not to use condoms. As said it's irresponsible when it surely should have realised by now the hugely varying extent of how much religion people take on board.