Reminder re Premiership streams , foreign satellite and internet coverage

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Most of this is illegal and the rest dubious

Please do not post info/links re streams and non UK satellite coverage

The PL are very strict on this sort of thing, even videos of highlights have got some sites/forums in trouble

This is a public information message for the good of the forum and is in no way because I am grumpy after losing at poker tonight :mad:

TA :)
 
iTV supposedly have recordings of the champions league games they show for a period of time after the games have been played. Well thats wht I thought I heard during the commentary of the Liv PSV game.
 
mcdermos said:
iTV supposedly have recordings of the champions league games they show for a period of time after the games have been played. Well thats wht I thought I heard during the commentary of the Liv PSV game.
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If it's on a proper site such as BBC/ITV/SKY or the FA/UEFA etc then posting is obviously ok
 
I hate to be pedantic, but foreign satellite isn't illegal (in regards to Arabian Television).

The contractual law with the FA is between broadcasting games between 3pm and 5pm. Now that in itself is crystal clear. The broadcasts of the games however isn't. Sky and the BBC have a contract with the FA, therefore Sky or BBC don't show games or highlights during that period of time, only later on at night.

Now this is where foreign satellite comes in (and why it's continued to have usage in pubs around the country). The foreign broadcasts don't actually have a contract signed with the FA, therefore they aren't breaking a contract. The source of the feed isn't coming from the FA therefore they can't break the contract WITH the FA.

There is a 3-strike rule regarding clubs being shut down and having TV privledges removed, however several got shut down immediately by the FA because they were broadcasting games at peak times, however a lawyer looked into the contracts etc.. and it's clear that at no time are these clubs breaking a contractual obligation with the FA, therefore all feeds broadcast at peaktime on a Saturday afternoon are not illegal. All the pubs ordered to remove their Arab satellites are able to get them re-installed legally and without worry.

Now the reason many pubs go for this satellite is that it brings local customers in (as you broadcast their team) and it's cheap. A hell of a lot cheaper than Sky. It costs £300 for the first year (including installation) and £100 a year after that. Compare that to the prices the major pub in the town I reside, they have paid £300 for the Satellite fee with everything setup and running. They just switched from Sky which was costing them £10,500 a year. £10,200 saved. This is just another reason why many clubs, bars and pubs are boycotting Sky Television.

Where I work it's £6,500 a year for Sky and we have just had Sky HD installed last month.

However, Internet links are clearly not legal.

Karl.
 
I thought it was legal due to the reasons above.

Sky's such a rip off nowadays, my mate's gone from paying £20 basic package with crap channels to Freeview - and he get's E4, Skysports News, and FilmFour!
 
NokkonWud said:
The contractual law with the FA is between broadcasting games between 3pm and 5pm. Now that in itself is crystal clear. The broadcasts of the games however isn't. Sky and the BBC have a contract with the FA, therefore Sky or BBC don't show games or highlights during that period of time, only later on at night.

Now this is where foreign satellite comes in (and why it's continued to have usage in pubs around the country). The foreign broadcasts don't actually have a contract signed with the FA, therefore they aren't breaking a contract. The source of the feed isn't coming from the FA therefore they can't break the contract WITH the FA.

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who do the foreign channels buy the rights off then ? the premier league afaik , it is their broadcast . part of the rights of the licence is that the cards are not sold outside of their licenced area as can be seen by the fact that you cannot legitimately but the cards from official suppliers

public broadcast of Saturday games between 3 and 5 is an offence regardless of source

as I said some aspects are illegal and some dubious hence the only was to keep on the right side of the law is not to discuss any of these, there is nothing to gain from allowing it and there are plenty of other places to get information for anyone interested
 
Rotty said:
who do the foreign channels buy the rights off then ? the premier league afaik , it is their broadcast . part of the rights of the licence is that the cards are not sold outside of their licenced area as can be seen by the fact that you cannot legitimately but the cards from official suppliers

public broadcast of Saturday games between 3 and 5 is an offence regardless of source

as I said some aspects are illegal and some dubious hence the only was to keep on the right side of the law is not to discuss any of these, there is nothing to gain from allowing it and there are plenty of other places to get information for anyone interested
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The foreign channels do buy them off the FAPL. The clubs also have a deed of license over their own footage which means they can syndicate it to a third party. Don't get me started on this as I have just spent a 13 hour day dealing with Fox and ESPN over deeds of licence and what we can and cannot do. We being the FAPL club I work for :)

In terms of buying the equipment to facilitate the receiving FAPL matches into your home, that is not illegal. Actually receving them is a grey area, a bit like recording music off the radio. Showing them to an audience is deffo illegal. Therefore, internet streams and pubs showing arab/norwegian satellite channels are illegal.
 
Rotty said:
who do the foreign channels buy the rights off then ? the premier league afaik ,
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I don't believe they do.

Rotty said:
public broadcast of Saturday games between 3 and 5 is an offence regardless of source
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It's not, it's only illegal when breaking a contractual obligation, this is why foreign satellite is able to broadcast.

Rotty said:
as I said some aspects are illegal and some dubious hence the only was to keep on the right side of the law is not to discuss any of these, there is nothing to gain from allowing it and there are plenty of other places to get information for anyone interested
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Internet streaming is illegal as it's bypassing a subscription fee, that is where illegality begins and ends in this discussion. I agree with that.

Youstolemyname said:
In terms of buying the equipment to facilitate the receiving FAPL matches into your home, that is not illegal. Actually receving them is a grey area, a bit like recording music off the radio. Showing them to an audience is deffo illegal. Therefore, internet streams and pubs showing arab/norwegian satellite channels are illegal.
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It's not illegal to broadcast it, the license of the pub is with the Arabian TV package which distributes it. Anything on that satellite is free to broadcast to an audience because, unlike Sky, it doesn't charge for the rights to do this.
 
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you are way off the mark , the pub has no licence with ART , ART have a licence from the FAPL to sell cards for use in the area for with the contract is granted

You cannot buy an ART card from an authorized source for use in this country , they are imported by grey dealers as they are sold on a prepaid basis in the Arab countries

The post by "youstolemyname" explains things very well
 
NokkonWud said:
I don't believe they do.


It's not, it's only illegal when breaking a contractual obligation, this is why foreign satellite is able to broadcast.


Internet streaming is illegal as it's bypassing a subscription fee, that is where illegality begins and ends in this discussion. I agree with that.


It's not illegal to broadcast it, the license of the pub is with the Arabian TV package which distributes it. Anything on that satellite is free to broadcast to an audience because, unlike Sky, it doesn't charge for the rights to do this.
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No offence mate but I am the marketing manager of a Premiership football club. I kind of know what I am talking about when it comes to licensing rights of our games.

Sky is the only legal way to watch Premiership football matches in a boozer.
 
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