Replacing Onkyo 875 Amp and Pioneer PDP-5080XD

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I'm looking to replace my old Onkyo 875 that I've had for 10 years to something newer now ( also looking at changing my plasma too )

I'm looking at something that will allow Atmos etc as i will be looking to add the small up firing Atmos speakers on the top of my front floor standers.

I've looked around online not listened to anything yet but i do like the look of the Denon AVRX3400 or the Yamaha RXA870 .

Any other one's i should be looking at ?

With regards to my Pioneer PDP-5080XD I've had for 10 years too but I bought in May a 40" Samsung UE40MU6120 for the extension and to be honest i was blown away how good the picture was on it with a direct feed from sky using a HDMI splitter.

So now I've decided it would be nice to have smart TV and to use 4K in the main room and replace my beloved pioneer.

Do like the look of the OLED and looked so far at these :-

LG OLED65B7V £1899
LG OLED65B8S £2499
Panasonic TX65EZ952B £2599

Is there really a huge difference from the LG OLED65B7V to the other 2 for the price ?
Don't want any motion blur especially on sport and football mostly.

I will be sitting about 3 meters away also and wall mounted.

Any advice and input regarding either items would be great please

Thank you.
 
lucid said:
Re: AVRX2500H


The 2500 isn't anything like as potent as the Onkyo 875.

If you separate each receiver in to the pre-amp and power-amp sections, then newer receivers (even at £300) are going to have more relevant features to today's world. That doesn't mean to say they're automatically going to sound better. It just means there are more bells and whistles.

Compare the power amp sections though and its a very different story.

As good as the Denon is, it's still a £500 RRP AV receiver. The maximum power consumption at the mains is 500W. Knock off 10% for heat loss and running the preamp features means you're left with 450W to split across 7 speakers, so a ball park of 65W/ch when everything is swinging.

The Onkyo eats 870W from the mains. Less 10% again gives us 780W. Split over 7 speakers we get 110W per channel. That's a big difference, and it's why the bigger Onkyos and Denons and Pioneers and Yamahas etc were all in the £1000+ category. The closest thing in Denon's current range is the £1500 AVR-X6400 @ 900W mains consumption or the £2300 AVR-X6500. That's 115W/ch in 7.1 mode. However, it's an 11 channel amp so the cake gets divided in to smaller pieces: 75W per channel.

Everything from the AVR-X4400/4500 and above has pre-out sockets. That's useful because it means that an external power amp can be hooked up to drive the centre channel and/or front L&R. Since these three speakers consume the lion's share of the amp's power, lifting the burden means more juice for the remaining speakers. That's a decent win.
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Hi thanks for taking the time to post that cracking read.

Yeah I didn't think it would be as powerfully to be fair it's been playing up recently well about year on and off . I've had it for 10 years like the plasma and want to swap it all really now .

I'd say I don't really belt out the sound to loud ( wife moans about it :p ) So not sure how much I'll miss from the Onkyo other than it's radeon processor which I run everything through seems not many amps have the video processing now to clean up the picture ?

Thanks
 
Washout said:
I recently went from an old onkyo606 with 5.1 and kuro to a denon 2400, lg c7 55" oled. Also got a couple PSB atmos speakers to sit on top of my old q acoustic 1030i floorstanders.
Very happy with it all! Pretty small room so don't need a huge amount to fill the room with sound. Nice to have all the modern AV features such as ARC and the colours on the oled with dolby vision content @ 4k are something. Atmos is superb once you've got everything setup. Be warned though - you'll be wanting to get rear upfiring after listening to some demo discs so maybe a 9 channel amp would be worthwhile looking at? (you'll probably want 11 after listening to that ;) )

Now keeping half an eye out for newer speakers although tbh not sure I'd be gaining a huge amount over the ones I've got. With the new 3000i q acoustics out the 3000 range are a very tempting price...
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Thanks for your reply yeah i've looked at the PSB atmos speakers myself . I already run 7.1 so want to add a pair of these on the fronts .Do like the look of the Yamaha RXA870 also going to go and test a few soon just got a few things on at the moment.

I assume there is extra sockets on the back of the amp for the atmos speakers ? looked at a couple online and didn't notice anything extra?

Thanks
 
Washout said:
They're just normal speakers using the same ports as the others - I think atmos av receivers can switch the channels around and you tell it at setup which you want it to be. So a 7 channel av will allow you to stick two forward atmos in but replacing the 2 rear channels giving you 5.1.2. If you want atmos plus your current 7.1 you'll need a 9 channel receiver. That'll let you have 7.1.2 or 5.1.4 if you again forgo your rears and have 4 atmos speakers.
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Thanks for your reply i'd need a 9 channel receiver then don't want to lose my other speakers .

Thank you.
 
Been looking at the Pioneer VSX-LX303 has 170W per channel and does 7.2.2

Can get a £100 trad ein for my onkyo 875 aswell so would come in at £699.
Has any

Going to be getting a Nivida Sheild too as my dune player base is struggling thats 10 years old too.
 
hornetstinger said:
No way 170w X 7

Oh dear 1 channel driven 1% thd, 6 ohm 1khz

Lol

Ewith 100% amp efficiency and AV amp using no other power for scaling and decoding it's 84w X 7

So it'll be lower than that.
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So why they advertising its 170w if it’s not ?
Surely that’s false advertising then ?
To be fair it would still be plenty loud enough in my room anyway I’d think
 
Coming back to this as i'm still looking found a shop that selling a Denon AVR-X4400H AV Receiver for £820 from £1499 Is it a decent deal ?


Thanks
 
lucid said:
The pricing is because there's a model change. The 4400H and its replacement - the 4500H - are in the market at the same time. The 4500H has some minor tweaks, and the retail price is up at £1,500. Denon is discounting the remaining 4400H stock through its dealer network, so yes, I'd say it's a very good deal.

In 8-10 months time when the (presumably named) 4600H replaces the 4500H then there might be a similar price reduction again, it just depends how many £1,500 amps Denon UK are still sitting on and what the competing manufacturers are up to.

If you felt the need for more power, the 4400H has pre-out sockets for all channels. Adding a stereo or a 3-channel amp for the front sound stage would be a sensible upgrade.

Some sites are reporting the 4400H as no longer available, so unless you spot something else equivalent then you might want to get your skates on.
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Thank you for your detailed reply I thought it was a good deal myself .

I’m planning on running to Atmos speakers on top of my front speakers so need this 9.2 set up .

I assume it does video upscaling couldn’t see in the spec sheet, but i assume it must do ?

One good thing my I Onkyo did was video processing with the radoen process it had in it .
 
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lucid said:
There is video processing, and it includes analogue to HDMI conversion as well as upscaling. I don't know if you've got the ability to colour correct though. Have a look on the Denon website and download the manual.
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Thank you again for your reply .

I’ll have a look .
 
chaparral said:
Go for it

After you got one you will be wishing you bought an OLED sooner...:D

I just upgraded from my pioneer LX508D plasma to a Sony 65AF9 OLED last saturday...:)
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Been spending weeks looking at them to be fair don't want no motion blur i keep reading about as i watch football etc a lot and my pioneer is brill on that .

Still not sure on a 55" or 65" wife thinks 65" is too big i don't lol .

Looking at the LG B8 or C8 and the sony AF8 55"
 
Had a demo of the AF8 65 in John lewis and WOW ! That has tempted me was impressed by the 65" over the 55". The sony looked a lot better and sharper over the LG c8
 
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chaparral said:
Well done...:):)

You be amazed at how quick you're going to get used to the increased size..

After I put my 65 up on the wall I was thinking for first 2 days it was too big and I should have bought the 55
But a few days later and am already completely used to the bigger size and am so glad I went for the 65 and not the smaller 55
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Was a bit worries about the size to fair was looking at the AF8 or even the C8 55" went shopping friday with the wife nipped in to take alook and she said if want it go for the bigger one it should be alright .

Had a poster size 65" we were given to put on the wal and it does look big but i'm sure the pioneer looked like that all those years ago too.

Ddi you tweak any settings etc when you got it ? Don't think i'll get it running for a few days as we're going to be wall papering the wall it's going on i think now too.
 
chaparral said:
Have you set up your new TV Yet ?
If yes what do you think of it (Good & Bad Points) ?

Am still loving my OLED...:) But I ran out of movies to watch :(...So I been watching some movies I already seen before :o
(I Watched "4K Christmas Inheritance" on Netflix last night)
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Sorry late reply .

Hung it today as been decorating in the lounge picture fantastic but i have to say i caught some black panther and it made me feel a little sick everything moving around so fast at the end of the film!

Which has now put a seed of doubt in my mind in my mind it's too big or have my eyes got to adjust ?

Had to urn colour down way to bright for me that was first thing i did .
 
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