I think your missing the point, over the course of 20 years the costs of food, clothing, electricity, education all add up.
Responsible people aren't having kids
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I think your missing the point, over the course of 20 years the costs of food, clothing, electricity, education all add up.
Sure, there are always exceptions. But we're talking society-wide here, people can stray from the apple tree but if you're talking national averages then no, people don't stray too far.
I didn't say working-class people were ballsacks, I said a lot of ballsacks have kids.
Soldato
Yes, quite true
but you so your wages go up, and cost of living comes down.
Also you have the lights/heating on anyway so you dont need to factor that in.
at the end of the day, having kids to me is far more rewarding than any BMW or exotic holiday will ever bring.
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I work full time , my wife works full time , we both clear after tax/insurance - 1900ish. We work our arse's off , infact my wife works 7 - 9 most days ( Care Worker )
We both want to have a child meaning she wont be working, meaning that 1900 goes down to 820 at best. Is it possible to pay / rent , tax , gas , elec , tv license , insurance , water , and various car bills + food with that ? the answer is no! We will have to claim child benefit when we have a child unless my job situation changes drastically! - Does that make me any worse than you though? It certainly dont make me a ****. 85% of the UK would not be able to afford the above and a child on such a small wage.
Responsible people are still having kids though, just obviously at a much older age. That's not so much of an issue in that people live much longer, but obviously means a child born when their parents are older will obviously be less likely to rely on support from them as they get older, especially with things like going to University or such if their parents have already retired.
If anything, the people who live on benefits who pump out children will continue to do so, possibly reinforcing that by further generations of their family doing the same. I can't imagine what goes through the mind of a child whose parents have not worked their entire life.
If anything, the people who live on benefits who pump out children will continue to do so, possibly reinforcing that by further generations of their family doing the same. I can't imagine what goes through the mind of a child whose parents have not worked their entire life.
I think you've strayed a bit from my OP, either that or you're admitting you're not a responsible person? You seem to have put yourself in the defence category, when I'm on the offence towards people that irresponsibly have children.
think this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSROlfR7WTo
sums it up pretty well
sums it up pretty well
its wierd because some of the richest people only became rich because they were brought up poor
most rich peoples kids are lazy anyway and used to getting there own way all the time! SPOILT BRATS!
YOU'RE DOING IT ALL WRONG! 16 years = get a job
people even manage to have a job and goto uni while paying for it all by themselfs its amazing!
this 200k to raise a kid comes from the guardian btw and its raising a CHILD to the age of 21 erm they stopped beeing a CHILD long before 21 lol.....
sounds like BS unless you only do your shopping in marks and spencers and only buy brand name clothes for your child....
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And? Children are a life style choice, why should the tax burden of your low wage be passed onto me?
I agree. Everybody is way too reliant on handouts and government welfare, which is in essence what it is. Nobody should be paying for you and your litter. If you cannot afford it, then don't have children. I'm sorry to hear about everyone's plight, I really am, but I resent working 70 hours a week, being a Scrooge with my money in order to own a nice house and live a good life. I see trash pumping out kids by the tens and getting a free ride. Time to force people to be responsible and pay their own way.
So looking for welfare and handouts is justifiable?
No you didn't, my apologies. Some other posters in here implied it with their talk of "chavs" and I got mixed up.
My first question in that quote still stands though? Is it a guaranteed certainty that ballsacks begat ballsacks?
What are you defining as a ballsack anyway? I hate to incur the complete wrath of OcUK for what is one of their biggest pet hates, but taking a bit of helpful cash off the state because you forgot to wear a rubber one night doesn't actually make you a bad person.
I'm not really getting my point across well enough, I know, but I'm not going to write a full post while I'm at work. I'll explain this all better when I get back. Suffice to say I'm not at all convinced by this theory that the "wrong" people are having kids, just because they aren't you.
sure it is unless you want your RICH SPOILT BRAT children doing CRAP LOW WAGE jobs...
god luck with that one...
this forum is full of snotty up there own arses posh gits some days
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No I personally disagree. But why should me and my wife not be allowed a child because
a - Our parents aren't rich
b - We dont earn much , dispite the fact we both work 40hour weeks, my wife 50-60
Lovedaddy, People like you really grind my gears.
For the record both are parents are touching on millions in the account 1-2million to be passed down but again, why should we wait ? I'm 26 and my wife is 30 - We have both contributed to the POT since we were both 16 - Time to take a little back for 9-12months.
a - Our parents aren't rich
b - We dont earn much , dispite the fact we both work 40hour weeks, my wife 50-60
Lovedaddy, People like you really grind my gears.
For the record both are parents are touching on millions in the account 1-2million to be passed down but again, why should we wait ? I'm 26 and my wife is 30 - We have both contributed to the POT since we were both 16 - Time to take a little back for 9-12months.
Soldato
we've not had kids, not because we are responsible (which we are) but because I cant stand the noisy, messy horrible little *****. I would rather bring a rat up than a child, hate them.
Or hard working citizens who don't like to stand with their 'please sir, can I have some more' begging faces on.
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This forum drives me nuts with ****s like you lovedaddy. Its not like me or my wife dont work. To be honest, we would both be better off not working and claiming but thats not how we was raised. Its hardly wrong asking for a little help for a year or so whilst you re adjust your finance's is it ?
Sorry for not earning 50k + PA
Sorry for not earning 50k + PA
How about you help me with my ferraris fuel and running costs when you get your million quid hand down? No, didn't think so. Thats how I feel to scrounging parents. Lets not even get into the fact that most parents seems to assume they should be given special treatment at work like flexitime and parking.
You need only look outside to see that young society has taken a nose dive, even in the last 10 years since I was a youth. It's not media driven, it's not seeing the past as rose-tinted. A massively high proportion of kids today have a distinct lack of discipline, respect and ambition. You can blame a number of things on that, but the main blame has to be with their upbringing. Then you look at their parents, standing in the queue at the post office with a packet of fags in hand screaming about how they're going to spend their gyro on a honeymoon for their third wedding. A close friend of mine used to work in the benefits section for local government too, and the sheer amount of benefits spent on very young single mothers is absolutely astounding.
On the media side of things too, did you ever watch the hospital series about giving birth? Did you see most of the parent-traffic that was coming through the maternity wards?
Sure, opinions always have to be based on your view of things. But I'd say my view is pretty educated, and I'd challenge anyone to disprove this, it would make me happier!
I look at my school year, for example. I'd say at least 70% of the girls I went to school with have kids. Probably 10% are married, and probably 60% of the girls who have kids are single mums. Then I look at the responsible people I went to school with, some of which want kids but can't justify them. Heck, I kind of WANT them to have kids, I want to know that there is some balance and that my offspring can have a friend base that consists of people from different backgrounds and upbringings, not a disproportionate amount of ******* friends with careless parents. Is that judgemental? Probably.
My post was in response to someone who said that it doesn't cost £200k to raise kids.
As for utilities, children use additional electricity because of computers, tv's game consoles etc.
I think you'll find that parents are legally responsible for their children until 18...
Have you read the main text?
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