From my experience, the areas where any symbolism is quickly removed tend to be "neutral" areas for instance town where most of the st patricks day celebrations happen. While most of the marching is done in protestant areas and as such the symbolism is left (again this is only from my experience)
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From my experience, the areas where any symbolism is quickly removed tend to be "neutral" areas for instance town where most of the st patricks day celebrations happen. While most of the marching is done in protestant areas and as such the symbolism is left (again this is only from my experience)
Problem is there were 2 consultations on the flag in Belfast city council that 3 people turned up too. Either people need to learn how to play the game quickly or need to learn some good old British apathy towards politics when something doesn't go your way as violence never works (and for a historical point has never worked in northern ireland). It seems silly that they are rioting because politics has happened and they didn't seem to know it could (breaking down the "community rights" nonsense).
Ah that does reflect Belfast more so than some other places, my experiences have also been of towns and villages out side the city (mainly in Tyrone depressingly) where the rules tend to be really muddled. Paddys stuff has to come down, 12th stuff meh when you feel like. Always made me feel confused about the place.
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It's not the current climate in NI for violence? We're at the worst we've been since the GFA in the last few years with police, army and prison officers killed...
People are using violence because they feel the people they elected to participate in politics for them have repeatedly let them down..
It's not middle class snobbery at all! If you are out rioting in the streets of your own estate you are pure scum who should be locked up.
Ach nothing like taring us all with the same brush.
Maybe they think they will end up with a nice job in govt like has unfortunately happened for so many of Northern Irelands current politicians
Of course it's middle class snobbery. You see it on the news when they're asking idealistic Belfast uni students from the Malone road about the problems over the past few weeks and they're rabbiting on about not understanding why people are out rioting. Maybe they should be out talking to those rioting in deprived areas instead...
It did. I'm not discounting that fact.
That it did work does little to justify the means.
Violence, but I also cited attempted murder. You pointed to history as a justificaiton for the recent public disorders; a history filled with bloody slaughter for political aims.
It isn't acceptable, here or the other side of the planet.
Just because it's Ireland, and it's had a violent past doesn't excuse a violent future.
Yes because that works out well. Go look at some of the videos of people being interviewed from affected areas. They are do themselves no favors at all, by talking complete ****e! The word "Idiots" come to mind.
I am gonna stop posting, as this kind of thing drives me mad.
People in these areas on both sides do this country no favors by putting out a bad image, when in reality the country is a great place to live in.
Nobody has the right to take anothers life at all, whether you think its a dispute over a flag or something else.
So anyway, what _is_ it about? You keep telling us what is isn't, so what justification do you fellow country men have for being bonkers then?
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Where specifically in Tyrone? Once you go west you get smaller communities and towns that are either nationalist or unionist simply because that is how they have always been.
And why are they talking complete ****? Because they live in deprived areas where education is bottom of the barrel. There's no way out for most of those people. They were promised so much so they would go along with the GFA. And after 14 years, they're still right there. Poor, under-represented, under-educated and left behind. That doesn't make them scum. It makes them some of the most affected by the troubles and those that need the most help. They've all been lied to by their political representatives who get government wages while arguing about issues that cause social conflict instead of pulling their fingers out and bringing in jobs. And they can't bring in jobs because they do things like argue about flag issues which cause social conflict. There's also a lack of educated people for jobs. There's no manufacturing jobs. No building industry jobs since the economic crisis. It goes on and on. So this "it's just a flag" stuff, like I said earlier, is a stupid idiotic and asinine argument.
I never said anyone had the right to take anyones life. That's two people now who've made such a ****ing stupid statement about me. As for what it's about, go back and read my posts which you seem to have ignored.
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Disdain was shown at the polls, the DUP leader lost his Westminster seat in east Belfast and was replaced by a cross party Alliance member. The trouble is not really about the flag, its about the disfranchised working class community. The political classes are only to quick to turn their back and just like you denounce them. Nothing has been do for these communities other than a peace wall and its not just the Unionist community that has these problems. Look at the Lower Falls the place is another mess, low employment, poor education and politically disfranchised. Not different to the problems in inner cities like Glasgow.
These people will not hang their heads to save political blushes.
Cookstown and the delightful areas around it (so on the lough mostly). The town its self gets childish over the decorations every year for days off and surrounding villages claim to be all one or the other but tend to be predominantly one or the other with lots of wound down windows and spitting at the 12th left up in August. Not all that nice or consistent from local groups/authorities really.
You responded to a statement that it's bad to kill people over a flag (or religion) "with its not about that", but I'll take your addendum that it's still not worth killing over, whatever it is.
I read it. I just never saw any good reasons. Its nonsense and the lives of the people living there are lessened because of it.
And disdain will need to be shown through a new political vein if that is the case.
I'm not denouncing their issues, I'm denoucning the actions of a minority who are ruining it for a large number of people and people here trying to justify them.
Thing is, Glasgow isn't rioting over a flag as cover for poor socio-economic situations or political agendas.
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Thought as much, I have some family down that way in Ardboe and it's an odd part of the county. At least in Omagh people pretty much get on with things.
Theyre not, if you look at the protest and riot footage the vast majority of "protesters" are made up of masked and hooded up teenagers out looking for trouble.
Half of these chimps rioting can barely manage to tell what way is the right way up for the flag ffs. They've so much respect for it that during the cleanup phase of the initial riots at City Hall from what ive heard there were dozen of Union Flags left laying in the gutter. Their "Ulster is British" signs also bring a giggle, apparently none of them have ever read a map, though thats not much of a surprise.
According to the PSNI its being orchestrated by loyalist paramilitaries, so it'll most likely only stop when they tell the knuckledragging teens that theyve had their fun, time to go home for their annual bath.
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You mean disdain like they did in the old USSR?
Who are they ruining it for? What has been ruined?
Its not the flag they are rioting about, its the wide spread political neglect of the working class. The people of N Ireland learned a long time ago about standing up for themselves. As for Glasgow, are you saying they will never riot due to poor socio-economic situations?
Am glad you have acknowledged that its not just about a flag.
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