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I'm surprised that so much Unionism / Loyalism still exists in Ulster. Sometimes I wonder if Westminster pays English people to go over and pretend to care to de-grease the Republican machine.
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^ Same.
Anyway, quite an ugly side to British Nationalism and identity if you ask me. 60 police officers injured? One attempted murder? £7m policing bill for the protests and riots?
They need to calm down, frankly, and show their disdain at the ballot box next time and protest peacefully in the mean time. It's not hard.
Anyway, quite an ugly side to British Nationalism and identity if you ask me. 60 police officers injured? One attempted murder? £7m policing bill for the protests and riots?
They need to calm down, frankly, and show their disdain at the ballot box next time and protest peacefully in the mean time. It's not hard.
Why? It's been part of the UK for hundreds of years. Indeed the entire island of Ireland was under British rule until the 1920s and the war of independence.
They don't need to.
What I don't understand is why people have such a problem with Northern Irish people wanting to remain part of Britain, but none with Falkland islanders wanting to remain part of Britain. If the war of independence had happened as recently as the Falklands war, would there be more support for those who wished to remain British in Northern Ireland?
They did show their disdain at the ballot box by electing Alliance and feel the Alliance party have screwed them, hence why Alliance offices were attacked at the start of the trouble.
That is no excuse.
I re-ittirate, they need to show their disdain about this situation at the next ballot box and protest peacefully in the meantime.
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It just looks neater on the map. That's as good a reason as any other I've heard.
The difference to Las Malvinas being that the entirety of the island wants to remain British.
I re-ittirate they did show their disdain at the ballot box. History has shown violence works when you want to be paid attention to in Northern Ireland, because nobody gives a rats ass what happens until it makes the news.
The areas the trouble is in showed their disdain by voting alliance because they feel like the DUP has let them down since the GFA (like I mentioned in earlier posts). It was stupid of them to attack the alliance party anyway, since Sinn Fein called for the removal of the flag completely and the DUP wanted it to fly continually. If it had been left to them two it would have taken forever to resolve. Alliance made a common sense motion to bring it into line with other cities in the UK (even Lisburn flies the flag on designated days).
But like I said, there's more to this than flags and it's just as much to do with what is seen to be continual abandonment by political representatives, et cetera.
NI does have twice as many disabled people per 1000 than GB. And we thought leper colonies had ceased to exist.
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^ Infamously, Wales isn't much better.
This isn't a 'who is the worst rioter' competition. Feel free to start a thread about the civil unrest of jobless youths in London.
This isn't a 'who is the worst rioter' competition. Feel free to start a thread about the civil unrest of jobless youths in London.
It was a stupid decision to change the flying of the flag really, nothing was ever really going to change by doing it apart from potential mass unrest, the whole sorry situation is probably EU sponsored they'd love to see our union fall apart so they can swallow us up.
Lol exactly! Protestants up to no good. Most are no older than their early 20's, claiming DLA for "hernias that never seem to go away" to get their daily dose of bucky and "have a bit of craic" fighting the police.
Annoyed they haven't been gunned down yet as its been weeks of this rubbish, especially as no other city council in the mainland flys the flag every day...
The "British" identity exists in NI because of a fear that the UK will just tell them to go away one day and then the Catholics will have their revenge (nasty over simplification but its the basic fear).
Mucking about like this is their way of (obtusely) showing their are more loyal to the crown than any other British people. Despite the fact the methods they are using are distancing themselves massively from the very identity they want to be.
It'll all stop (or get much worse) when the PM (any PM of the UK) turns around and tells them flat out to stop it, this is the least British thing you can do, stop embarrassing your selves and us.
What? Protestants are up to no good because they want to display how much they are part of the UK...
Not really, its pretty pointless flying any flag all day every day when it openly annoys half the population.
They followed democratic process to get a compromise solution formed and Protestants don't like it so are going against democracy for the sake of an identity they don't reflect upon properly.
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Exactly.
These 'people' and I use that word in the loosest way possible are thugs, idiots and DLA benefit scroungers, as someone else pointed out the majority causing (which is a minority of overall population) these issues don't contribute nor feel like they should contribute to the community.
These Loyal protesters (denounced by their PM) are disrupting the lives of everyone in Belfast and we're sick of it. I'm actually in the position tomorrow that I'm unable to collect my daughter from her school because of "their fleg", half the time they're waving them about upside down FFS
Someone else said SF had kicked this off, they didnt, it was the Alliance Party, who are the only non-sectarian party we have. Fair play to them too. The flying of the flag on designated days was a recommendation of the Good Friday Agreement which had something like 70% voting in favour of it.
Belfast I'm glad to say is moving forward despite the best efforts of minorities from both communities.
There is a peace protest this Sunday at City Hall, I will be there.
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NI does have twice as many disabled people per 1000 than GB. And we thought leper colonies had ceased to exist.
If you fancy popping over and having a proper cull, then I am sure taxpayers will be delighted.
There are just as many unclean spongers on both sides of the fence.
It was Sinn Fein. Sinn Fein called for the flag to be brought down entirely. DUP wanted it up continually. Alliance brought the motion to bring it into line with the rest of the UK, striking the balance which DUP and Sinn Fein agreed to.
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Thats a strange reaction. I stated we should have originally gave them back because the protestants probably would have put up less of a fight. I didn't take a side. Hopefully over the longer term religion will die, because thats a crappy reason to be fighting over anyway.
It's an incredible over simplification that ignores several hundred years of history, religion and global politics involving many countries from the HRE to France.
To say that it openly annoys half the population simply isn't true and that's what part of the problem is, people just seem to think that the communities of NI are divided up the middle and are at constant loggerheads. There are plenty of people in NI regardless of which community they come from who are happy to get on with their lives and don't really care for the flag as long as they can live a peaceful life.