RIP Chris Kyle

Shayper said:
If you honestly cannot see the difference, then there is no point discussing this further.

I personally wouldn't insult a lot of dead Nazis as plenty of them were only doing what they were ordered to and weren't happy about it. It's the leaders and people who found pleasure in the suffering of others who should be regarded as the true evil.

Think about pawns in chess. They are there to take damage and die. This is what a lot of soldiers are. They may not be happy about their orders, but they HAVE to follow them. Insulting them is just plain disrespectful.
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I'm a believer of free will, you are responsible for your own actions. No one can force you to kill, that's a personal decision and this disgusting human being chose to kill 100+ people.
 
I was going to post in this thread, as I had a lot of respect for Chris Kyle, through every appearance I had seen him make, he was a good man, with a lot of respect for those who serve, he never made light of the work that he did and for the most part didn't like to talk about it either.

But the venom and vitriol spewed by some of the muppets on here, is beyond belief. If you have nothing good to say about someone, keep your mouths shut.
 
Craterloads said:
I'm a believer of free will, you are responsible for your own actions. No one can force you to kill, that's a personal decision and this disgusting human being chose to kill 100+ people.
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Of course they can force you to kill people.

He has chosen to defend his country. By living in england you condemn a lot more people to die each day by simply eating what you eat instead of giving it to them. Don't be so facetious.
 
diamount said:
Nope, why do you think cells are created? You don't import manpower you recruit citizens of whatever country you plan to attack, same goes for the actual explosive equipment.. it's all homegrown.
Like I said... occupying these countries makes no goddamn difference hwen it comes to preventing terrorist attacks and that has always been a guise for the ignorant.
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So we should let the taliban take over Afghanistan so they can rape and stone the women whilst murdering the men who will not join their fight against the west?

Gotcha, you're okay though, you've got Nandos and stuff...

The world is a nasty place, full of nasty people and lots have died making sure that the bad guys have a hard time getting close to the likes of you, be thankful some have a pair to be able to do it.
 
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kitch9 said:
So we should let the taliban take over Afghanistan so they can rape and stone the women whilst murdering the men who will not join their fight against the west?

Gotcha, you're okay though, you've got Nandos and stuff...
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:D

People really, really should think about the whole picture rather than focus on the tiny bit they like :)
 
Shayper said:
Of course they can force you to kill people.

He has chosen to defend his country. By living in england you condemn a lot more people to die each day by simply eating what you eat instead of giving it to them. Don't be so facetious.
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What has defending your country got to do with killing civillians defending their country in Iraq?

If someone told me go kill that person because your country needs you, I would hope I would be capable of saying no....
 
Craterloads said:
I'm a believer of free will, you are responsible for your own actions. No one can force you to kill, that's a personal decision and this disgusting human being chose to kill 100+ people.
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Im sure the 100 odd people he killed werent innocent civilians. God only knows how many people they killed, wether members of the military or their own people. And how many more would they have killed if it werent for the actions of men like Chris kyle.
 
davestar_delux said:
Well I don't think it is ignorant to judge them on their life choices. They agree to do a job that may require killing and carrying out orders without question at times.

And judging them and criticising them is important, they are not exempt from criticism because they are just doing their job. Everyone has personal responsibility for their individual actions, whether a government sends them to war or whatever.

Each part of the structure from government to public who want to buy into government propaganda putting troops and armed forces on a pedestal should be corrected at all times possible if attitudes and policies are to change.
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It is when you do so from a position of ignorance, people are making legal judgements on soldiers without any idea of what they do, why they do it or the both the consequences and benefits both to the individual and society in general.

No-one mentioned putting anyone on a pedestal and no one is exempt from criticism for their actions....however before making such judgements and criticisms at least know what the hell they are talking about.

Misconceptions like 'carrying out orders without question' for example.
 
Craterloads said:
What has defending your country got to do with killing civillians defending their country in Iraq?

If someone told me go kill that person because your country needs you, I would hope I would be capable of saying no....
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You haven't joined the Army, but instead chose to sit at home in the relative safety created by said army and used the freedom provided to you to criticise.....
 
setter said:
Im sure the 100 odd people he killed werent innocent civilians. God only knows how many people they killed, wether members of the military or their own people. And how many more would they have killed if it werent for the actions of men like Chris kyle.
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What's an innocent civillian?

Is a woman defending her home country thousands of miles away from the USA an innocent civillian or is she an evil terrorist for trying to defend her country from occupying forces?
 
Craterloads said:
I'm a believer of free will, you are responsible for your own actions. No one can force you to kill, that's a personal decision and this disgusting human being chose to kill 100+ people.
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100+ people who were combatants well versed in the arbitrary killing of others, including innocents simply because they could. You shouldn't judge the actions of a man without first understanding both the motivations and conditions of those actions. When does the value of one life outweigh the value of many lives?
 
Craterloads said:
What's an innocent civillian?

Is a woman defending her home country thousands of miles away from the USA an innocent civillian or is she an evil terrorist for trying to defend her country from occupying forces?
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I wonder whether those in New York felt that a country thousands of miles away had nothing to do with their lives?
 
Castiel said:
100+ people who were combatants well versed in the arbitrary killing of others, including innocents simply because they could. You shouldn't judge the actions of a man without first understanding both the motivations and conditions of those actions. When does the value of one life outweigh the value of many lives?
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Was that woman he shot in Iraq well versed in arbitrary killing of others? Or was she simply defending her country from occupying forces? The entire war was sold on a lie carried by troops not questioning their leaders, they are all as bad as each other.
 
Craterloads said:
What has defending your country got to do with killing civillians defending their country in Iraq?

If someone told me go kill that person because your country needs you, I would hope I would be capable of saying no....
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Okay.

Now you have made the claim that he has killed innocent civilians. I haven't made a counter claim, so the burden of proof is on you.

Can you prove that every one, or even any one of those people that he killed is an innocent civilian?
 
Shayper said:
Okay.

Now you have made the claim that he has killed innocent civilians. I haven't made a counter claim, so the burden of proof is on you.

Can you prove that every one, or even any one of those people that he killed is an innocent civilian?
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Read his wiki, first person he killed in Iraq was a woman with a grenade (supposedly) a civillian defending her country from occupation.
 
Von Smallhausen said:
Perhaps only someone with a military background gets it.
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Perhaps. I don't mind criticism or even judgement if it is justified, however assumption and ideology seem to to be the flavour of the day.

I am sure Craterloads and those that share his viewpoints think I am a disgusting person with no morals who murdered people for some macabre self satisfaction and they are entitled to that view.....Soldiers have died so he or people like him could continue to express it so let them. I know what I have done, both the good and bad, I judge myself far more harshly than they ever could and I also take solace in those I may have helped some along the way as well as struggle with those things that I wish I had not had to do.

Neither life nor the world in which we life is as black and white as some would like it to be.
 
Craterloads said:
Read his wiki, first person he killed in Iraq was a woman with a grenade (supposedly) a civillian defending her country from occupation.
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Holding a grenade would certainly dispel her from the innocent civilian list.

If I was holding a grenade threatening people I would be expecting to be shot.

Next.
 
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