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If you're buying a bike for proper touring surely steel is the way to go? If you're stuck in the ass end of nowhere then finding someone to weld your steel bike is going to be far easier.

..and if you're you're not going to the ass-end of nowhere then you probably don't need that many mounts ;)

High end steel can't be welded by a random in a shed, and if I was buying a bike of that sort I'd be looking at Reynolds *53.
 
you've got a headset tool? 'cos that head tube is tight!

I have this headset tool, never found a headset to be too tight for it yet:
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Does anyone know of a quick way to delete multiple waypoints in Strava route builder? I want to delete the second half of a route I duplicated...



What if I wear my sequin hat?

Only if it's a cycling cap which fits under helmet and matches your shoes.

You can right-click 'Delete' individual waypoints, its buggy as sometimes it doesn't delete. Other times it actually places another waypoint with the right click :rolleyes:

Anything more than 10 waypoints it might be quicker to start again :o:p

Anyone got any thoughts on this route?

https://www.strava.com/routes/1526738

Quite a lot of climbing. It's a possible for Sat.

You are aware it doesn't finish where you set off from right? :p

One guy from my work said the forecast was for 17c temps on saturday! :eek::cool::D I bet it's only possible for a short period in the middle of the day but anything north of 10 degrees I'll be glad to see! Still not gonna be wearing shorts for my 9:30 start as I'm happy in longs even upto 17 degrees... I'd rather be warm than cold! :)
 
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Looks good. Two cat 2s near enough back to back! The Skye climb is long and straight and steady. Holme Moss has a couple of switchbacks and steeper bits.

You need a lot of fancy equipment and skills to do it properly. I'm sure you could bodge it, but you wouldn't want to!

Agreed /re not wanting to bodge it though I guess I'm more talking about the kind of situation where you either get your bike going or you're completely screwed :p

I didn't mind the Skye climb last time. I'm hoping to improve my time but it will depend on how well my riding partner is feeling - we may need to take it quite slow.

Holme Moss is one I'm fairly sure I've not done before. Should be fun :)

Not tempted to join us? :p

Only if it's a cycling under helmet cap which matches your shoes.

You can right-click 'Delete' individual waypoints, its buggy as sometimes it doesn't delete. Other times it actually places another waypoint with the right click :rolleyes:

Anything more than 10 waypoints it might be quicker to start again :o:p

You are aware it doesn't finish where you set off from right? :p

One guy from my work said the forecast was for 17c temps on saturday! :eek::cool::D I bet it's only possible for a short period in the middle of the day but anything north of 10 degrees I'll be glad to see! Still not gonna be wearing shorts for my 9:30 start as I'm happy in longs even upto 17 degrees... I'd rather be warm than cold! :)

Due to the way Garmin routing works I have to put tons of waypoints in so I ended up manually deleting about 30 of the things. Fun times.

Also due to Garmins being a bit odd I don't like my routes to start and finish in the same place. Too many issues with it messing up on previous rides. The finish point is a Costa in East Didsbury that happens to be quite well located for me and the guy I'm riding with to get home fairly easily.

12C max quoted around here. That's still a damn sight warmer than it has been of late though.
 
They're all a good shout and all good makes, the compromise (as mentioned) comes from the groupset...

Having mudguard mounts should be a *must*, certainly if you're commuting every day, whatever the weather. Tyre width clearances matter more to you than some others as not all of your commute is along main roads

Thanks for the information Roady, was wondering what this 'groupset' talk was all about, can make sense of what it actually means (to an extent!). Think my best bet is to pop into the local shop & have a test ride of a couple of them, as I need to figure out what frame/sizes are going to be best for me. Will grab myself a helmet there as well, was looking around £40 mark for a helmet so that shouldn't be hard at all.

Will definitely be getting mudguards as being covered in muddy water isn't my cup of tea! I'm going to scope the canal out this weekend, cycle in and out of town to see if there's any 'dodgy' parts that might cause a problem cycling through with a road bike, but I saw this morning that some parts have indeed been covered with tarmac which is good news.

Going to get my certificate for Cycle2Work sorted today for £700, think that'll cover everything, will be grabbing a bike around £450/500 - then £200 for my gear.
 
Holme Moss is one I'm fairly sure I've not done before. Should be fun :)

Last time I did Holme Moss I had thousands of fans cheering me on :D Well, not my fans, but nonetheless! I'd like to go back and do it all in one go. I don't think I even logged a time up there, given I got halfway up there, stopped, then walked the other half at the end of the day.

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Not tempted to join us? :p

I would, but I've already committed to going out with my usual gang. Maybe another time.
 
Yeah...we were near Woodhead for that bit of the TdF but actual cycling in that mass of people didn't really occur aside from on the TPT and then once we reached the edge foot of the peaks.

Shame about Sat. There's a chance my riding partner will be ill anyhow so it's not really a definite.
 
Anyone got any thoughts on this route?

https://www.strava.com/routes/1526738

Quite a lot of climbing. It's a possible for Sat.

I created an almost similar route,

https://www.strava.com/routes/1106408

so would be interested to know what its like if you do it, will be beautiful tomorrow I suspect, I'm doing domestique duty with the girlfriend on sunday

https://www.strava.com/routes/1511606

gutted about the weather, looking like a wet one :( wish it was tomorrow.

I'd be up for getting together sometime this summer when I'm not out with the g/f and riding to the peaks. (and anyone else around Manchester)

Nick
 
Yup, very similar indeed :) I added a few detours to try and stick on quieter (though still not hideously bumpy) roads and go past some pretty-looking scenery. I also don't really like the A626 so I tried to avoid that a fair bit on the way back.

A summer ride would be great. We really do need to do a Manchester OcUK ride. There's yourself, Von, Physichull, OneMoreSolo, me and two people I ride with regularly all very nearby.
 
Thanks for the information Roady, was wondering what this 'groupset' talk was all about, can make sense of what it actually means (to an extent!).

The groupset is the drivetrain and brakes, so that's the brake/shift levers, the brakes, the derailleurs, the bottom bracket (the bearings between the cranks), the chainrings and cranks, the chain, and the cassestte of sprockets at the back wheel. Better groupsets have more gears, more precise shifting, more powerful brakes, and usually a bit less weight. There are also multiple different groupset manufacturers. The big 3 are Shimano, SRAM and Campagnolo. Campagnolo are the oldest and have a lot of Italian heritage. Their gear is expensive and requires some proprietary tools. Shimano is the most popular and widely used, because it's made in the Far East where a lot of bikes are made, and they have the cheapest groupsets available. SRAM is an American newcomer. They each have different methods for shifting. Each of the three use levers that you pull towards yourself to brake, but for shifting things vary:

Shimano: Push the brake lever to shift to a bigger sprocket/chainring, push a smaller secondary lever to shift to a smaller sprocket/chainring. You can push the brake lever further to shift two or more gears.
SRAM: A secondary lever handles both down and upshifts. Push it partway to shift up, all the way to shift down. Or vice versa, I forget.
Campagnolo: A secondary lever handles the shifts to larger sprockets, but then a button on the inside of the shifter handles the shifts to smaller sprockets. The thumb button can typically be pushed further to shift more gears, and higher numbers of gears on better groupsets. I think at times Campag shifters have allowed you to shift as many as 9 gears with one full push of the thumb button, which would be the full width of a 10 speed cassette.

Given your budget, you'll almost certainly end up with Shimano, and probably something fairly near the bottom end. Shimano's road groupsets run as follows:

Tourney - only 7 speeds at the back, crap shifters with a naff thumb button in place of the second lever. Looks a bit like Campag, performs nothing like it. Best avoided.
Claris - 8 speeds at the back, proper integrated shifters from here on up the range. Perfectly serviceable. This is the bare minimum you should be looking at.
Sora - 9 speeds at the back. Lighter than Claris, and shifts better.
Tiagra - 10 speeds at the back. I don't think this is worlds apart from Sora, apart from the extra gear.
105 - 11 speeds at the back. Shifting is improved. Cable routing for the shifters is now all done under the bar tape, which some people prefer.
Ultegra - 11 speeds. Very good shifting and lower weight. More expensive, which is a consideration for replacement parts. Used on a lot of high end bikes.
Dura-Ace - 11 speeds again. This is racing grade stuff. Super light, super effective, super expensive.

Ultegra and Dura Ace are also available with electronic shifting, but I wouldn't worry about that :p

As said, aim for Claris as the bare minimum, and Sora if you can get it.
 
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Only thing I'd add to that is to be aware that the different models/years of groupsets may be quite different. For example, the 105 5700 is 10 speed, whereas the newer 5800 is 11 speed. From all accounts the 5800 is substantially better, though personally I've found the 5700 to be quite decent. It's similar for Tiagra - the newer Tiagra has 10 speed, old models will be 9 speed and substantially worse. Finally, old Sora really sucks as you're stuck with the crappy thumb shifters that are now only present on the Tourney (which to be honest with you is so low-end I wasn't even aware of it until Von's post above).
 
Tourney - only 7 speeds at the back, crap shifters with a naff thumb button in place of the second lever. Looks a bit like Campag, performs nothing like it. Best avoided.
Claris - 8 speeds at the back, proper integrated shifters from here on up the range. Perfectly serviceable. This is the bare minimum you should be looking at.
Sora - 9 speeds at the back. Lighter than Claris, and shifts better.
Tiagra - 10 speeds at the back. I don't think this is worlds apart from Sora, apart from the extra gear.
Tiagra gearing onward have proper shift levers for up and down. Below Tiagra is thumb shifter.
 
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