Roccat tyon (gaming mouse) wtf ?

[Sleepyluke]

Hello

Please can anybody help me to understand tho issue ?

Roccats newest flag ship fps gaming mouse the tyon is made with a laser sensor,
But lasers are very bad for low den fps gaming ?

It is well know that fps gamers MUST use optics sensors.
So why is this mouse and many other brands of gaming mouse made with laser and not optical ??? I just don't understand

Have lasers sensors become massively better tho year ? And are now better than optical? And this is not common knowledge yet ??

I'm confused ?

Please help

Thx

 

[Chazillor]

There are two reasons manufacturers still use laser sensors

1) they can reach higher DPIs (opticals can with crazy FW but it's a less common solution) and noobs buy the thing with the higher number

2) the trend is only just swinging back to optical and some manufacturers are behind the trend a bit still

There's the simple truth that some companies are run by the marketing and accounting departments and some by the engineers (think Corsair and say Zowie respectively)

Nope lasers are not better, there's still only really one that you see, the Pixart (avago) 9800 and it's got hardware acceleration and is in general a poor sensor for FPS. There is also the Phillips twin eye which is rarer and slightly better but still no match for a Pixart 3310 or S3988.

TL;DR laser sensors are worse but high DPI sells mice, some companies overlook performance for mass appeal such is consumer culture.

FWIW, when I tested the Tyon I struggled to find a use for the paddle thing and the fin was awkard to press so although cool it's not really worth the money (if you were thinking of buying one)

 

[Sleepyluke]

There are two reasons manufacturers still use laser sensors

1) they can reach higher DPIs (opticals can with crazy FW but it's a less common solution) and noobs buy the thing with the higher number

2) the trend is only just swinging back to optical and some manufacturers are behind the trend a bit still

There's the simple truth that some companies are run by the marketing and accounting departments and some by the engineers (think Corsair and say Zowie respectively)

Nope lasers are not better, there's still only really one that you see, the Pixart (avago) 9800 and it's got hardware acceleration and is in general a poor sensor for FPS. There is also the Phillips twin eye which is rarer and slightly better but still no match for a Pixart 3310 or S3988.

TL;DR laser sensors are worse but high DPI sells mice, some companies overlook performance for mass appeal such is consumer culture.

FWIW, when I tested the Tyon I struggled to find a use for the paddle thing and the fin was awkard to press so although cool it's not really worth the money (if you were thinking of buying one)

Thanks for the info ,that's seems very logical.
I have the roccat kone XTD optical, and IV been wanting to try the tyon but have been waiting to see if they bring out a optical version like they did later with the kone, but sadly it looks like this is not going to happen I agree I lot of the flappy buttons look useless but the front buttons left and right look use full .

Thx for your detailed reply ,I will now not be jumping on the tyon lol ,

Ps is it the same optical sensor in the kone xtd and the zowie ? And is their performance difference between the 2? ( im a competitive fps gamer)

 

[TwsT]

haven't roccat always used optical laser hence the stupidly high DPI

 

[Chazillor]

Thanks for the info ,that's seems very logical.
I have the roccat kone XTD optical, and IV been wanting to try the tyon but have been waiting to see if they bring out a optical version like they did later with the kone, but sadly it looks like this is not going to happen I agree I lot of the flappy buttons look useless but the front buttons left and right look use full .

Thx for your detailed reply ,I will now not be jumping on the tyon lol ,

Ps is it the same optical sensor in the kone xtd and the zowie ? And is their performance difference between the 2? ( im a competitive fps gamer)

Depending on what models you mean they could both have a Pixart 3090 for example which is a good sensor, the difference is in the firmware which the manufacturer uses to interpret the sensor and Zowie's is often the best.

The reason why you might notice Zowie mice have low DPI is that they run the sensors at (or closer to) their native DPI rather than doing firmware tricks to increase the DPI that can introduce jitter etc to the tracking in some cases.

Do you use a palm or a claw grip?

haven't roccat always used optical laser hence the stupidly high DPI

Razer do that if you mean the stupid dual sensors lol