Router + extender or mesh?

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I live in a 4 bedroom house approx. 114m2 according to EPC.

We recently had FTTP 900Mbs installed and I'm using the plusnet hub2. I briefly had a beryl ax in extender mode to connect my upstairs PC. I was pulling around 3-400Mbs down with this. I no longer have the beryl ax and have been using an AX1200 TP link extender to connect my PC, but this is limited as it only has a 100 LAN.

I was looking at WiFi 6 /7 routers. The TP link BE9300 was on offer at Argos for £249 recently, and my thoughts were to get another extender, maybe another beryl ax. My other option is something like the TP link Deco's, possibly the x50 or x60? The problem is for each device I read several poor reviews. I don't know if some of these product have inherent issues, or if people just struggle to set them up correctly.

Can anyone help with options and what would be best? I cannot run ethernet cable as an alternative or backhaul, at least not yet, but I am going to ask about this in a separate post.
 
I bought the BE11000 (BE65) and sent them back within a few days. I also tried the XE75's. In total I've used four different deco models from the cheapest up to thebmid range and my honest opinion is that they are pure trash. Here's a few reasons why I sent the last lot back:

- Shockingly poor signal. With a single device placed next to my current Amplifi HD I would get no signal in the next room (5m away, stud wall). Amplifi got full signal.

- Speed drop off. I had to be literally sat next to the unit to get anywhere near advertised speeds. Speeds would drop by up to 90% walking away.

- Unstable speeds. Graphs monitoring speed are like a rollercoaster. Compare to my amplifi which is solid as a rock and flat. Granted for most people they'd never notice, but to me that's unforgivable. (Wired or wireless 6ghz backhaul).

- Lack of features. They are Noddy Noddy Noddy devices built for those with no knowledge at all. There's nothing other than ssid and a couple of pointless features that could be changed.

- In-built DHCP server that cannot be disabled. Seriously. Who thought this was a good idea?

- Three floor house with one device on each floor had dead spots. Two amplifi HD's covered the entire house, garage, and garden without skipping a beat for the past 5 years.

- MLO - box the Be65's came in shows MLO on all three bands. Reality is it can only use 5/6ghz.

For the lowest range ones, I've installed two deco's at the MIL's. Her internet is only 30mb and she's on her own, so thankfully it is good enough for her.

I've just helped another friend with theirs this weekend too. Three wifi6 deco's (forget the model) that have full line of site together but won't stay connected over a wireless backhaul - ended up going wired, which is always better, but kind of defeats the object of these devices.

Seriously, there's better solutions out there for the price. Unifi is where I'm going next (cloud gateway max & 2 u7 pro's - fingers crossed they're as good as their amplifi range). I absolutely would have gone amplifi mesh if they had a 6e/7 option. If you're not bothered about 6e, then I'd look at the amplifi alien routers - should be a step up from my HD's and will be rock solid.

The reviews and ratings out there are generally glowing for deco and I just don't get it. I'm assuming this is folk who don't know how to properly test that they're getting what tplink claim, or know what a good stable network should look like. With lower internet speeds, the deco's aren't a bottleneck. With proper fibre, they are through dog turd stability. Avoid avoid avoid.
 
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Can anyone help with options and what would be best? I cannot run ethernet cable as an alternative or backhaul, at least not yet, but I am going to ask about this in a separate post.

For this, if your home is wired with coax you could look at Moca adapters to allow it to pass ethernet traffic.

Just today I've wired in two screen beam MoCA 2.5 adapters to get things ready for the unifi kit. It took 10 mins to install and has given the amplifi routers a full wired backhaul. So far, so good - getting full speed out of them wherever I am in the house (minus the usual overheads). Ask me again in a few weeks, but right now they've saved a job of running cat cable everywhere.

The coax was completely unused in this house though, so very straightforward to deploy. If you've got cable TV /anything else using it, you will need to factor in some splitters. Should still be a doddle though.
 
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To add to my earlier comment I would say that people often recommend Unifi products here as well, although they do Access Points rather than Mesh systems, and I would say they have better performing/higher quality products than TP Link. If they have something that could work for you then they would be worth considering.
 
I use Decos, that connect in a combination of wifi, lan and powerline. They're good if all you want to do is plug it in and let their software do everything else (for better or worse).

The drawback is they are very much consumer devices. They're very lacking in any advanced features / options.
 
I bought the BE11000 (BE65) and sent them back within a few days. I also tried the XE75's. In total I've used four different deco models from the cheapest up to thebmid range and my honest opinion is that they are pure trash. Here's a few reasons why I sent the last lot back:

- Shockingly poor signal. With a single device placed next to my current Amplifi HD I would get no signal in the next room (5m away, stud wall). Amplifi got full signal.
Dumb test gives dumb result? Putting two devices next to each other like that is just going to lead to a horrible experience for one or both.

- Speed drop off. I had to be literally sat next to the unit to get anywhere near advertised speeds. Speeds would drop by up to 90% walking away.
The whole reason I got Deco was when having the bottom floor gutted, my structured cabling would be removed, I wasn't going to run fresh external cable for 2 months of build, so grabbed a pair of X20s and effectively ran them in bridge mode from my router to the switch on the floor above. The first thing I did was run Iperf3 and pulled near enough 800mbit node to node through a wooden floor, they didn't put a foot wrong, so much so that I actually bought more to test further.

- Unstable speeds. Graphs monitoring speed are like a rollercoaster. Compare to my amplifi which is solid as a rock and flat. Granted for most people they'd never notice, but to me that's unforgivable. (Wired or wireless 6ghz backhaul).
My iperf says otherwise, as does smoke ping, I can use something else, but the results probably aren't going to change.

- Lack of features. They are Noddy Noddy Noddy devices built for those with no knowledge at all. There's nothing other than ssid and a couple of pointless features that could be changed.
This one has some truth to it, but I think the term you are looking for is 'idiot-resistant' as there's very little an end user can do, they simply work and for the most part work well. I must have bought at least a dozen x20/x50's and deployed them in multiple properties and for friends/family as they give me near zero instances of 'the wifi is slow/not working/down', just the same way as I throw Roku's at people for the same reason. I can give you similar stats on my Ubiquiti deployments over a longer period with more issues and after nye on three decades of doing what I do, i'd like to think I had some awareness of the subject :D

- In-built DHCP server that cannot be disabled. Seriously. Who thought this was a good idea?
Don't be silly, 'Advanced' settings, turn off Smart DHCP, can't say I have looked in router mode.

- Three floor house with one device on each floor had dead spots. Two amplifi HD's covered the entire house, garage, and garden without skipping a beat for the past 5 years.
A 'device on each floor' doesn't mean you'd done a survey and picked appropriate locations for each device or that the locations that work for one device will work for a different device, I have a Deco on each floor of a three floor property, all are wired - because what reasonable person would use on radio backhaul? - and with sensible positioning (eg I allow for the supporting wall running up the middle of the property) I get at least as good, if not better coverage, than my previous or current Unifi set-up.

- MLO - box the Be65's came in shows MLO on all three bands. Reality is it can only use 5/6ghz.
Can't comment, I haven't bothered to roll any W7 AP/nodes yet, let alone tested clients on them, but the phrase 'non event' springs to mind, unless i'm missing something?

For the lowest range ones, I've installed two deco's at the MIL's. Her internet is only 30mb and she's on her own, so thankfully it is good enough for her.
I have them in properties ranging from 200Mbit-1.2Gb WAN, no complaints, but then again I treat wifi as a convenience for mobile devices and IoT, everything else runs on copper or fibre/DAC's for the servers.

I've just helped another friend with theirs this weekend too. Three wifi6 deco's (forget the model) that have full line of site together but won't stay connected over a wireless backhaul - ended up going wired, which is always better, but kind of defeats the object of these devices.
Wifi 6 will be x20 or above, frankly that just doesn't sound right, other than wired being the minimum i'd have expected anyway.

Seriously, there's better solutions out there for the price. Unifi is where I'm going next (cloud gateway max & 2 u7 pro's - fingers crossed they're as good as their amplifi range). I absolutely would have gone amplifi mesh if they had a 6e/7 option. If you're not bothered about 6e, then I'd look at the amplifi alien routers - should be a step up from my HD's and will be rock solid.
I wouldn't recommend the Amplifi range to anyone personally, but if you're that bothered about keeping it, then you could have just added two u7's anyway and run your own controller. The u7 Pro is a whole other conversation.

The reviews and ratings out there are generally glowing for deco and I just don't get it. I'm assuming this is folk who don't know how to properly test that they're getting what tplink claim, or know what a good stable network should look like. With lower internet speeds, the deco's aren't a bottleneck. With proper fibre, they are through dog turd stability. Avoid avoid avoid.
Because - for everyone who isn't you, or close to you - they pretty much do what they claim with minimal fuss, I wish I could say that about Ero, Nest, Velop or any of the other major mesh players, but they all have caveats. What I find odd is after all the points you've just made (rightly or wrongly), we get all the way to the end and now suddenly stability is an issue? It's also not possible for me to take anyone seriously who repeats the same word three times in a row, and without punctuation, as if it somehow adds credibility to the opinion expressed, this is networks, not politics.
 
That's fine dude, I'm glad they're working for you, but multiple models across the range that I've used myself or with family and friends have all been unreliable. You're correct that for most they will be good enough. A Ferrari with a badly tuned engine is still a Ferrari. For me though, that's unacceptable, especially for units costing £700. I expect it rock solid stability at that price point.

As for some of the comments:

Dumb test? Not at all - the HD was turned off when the deco was on, and the deco was off when the HD was on. Very fair and sensible comparison.

DHCP - you have to use the Deco in AP mode to get to that, so you're partially correct. For anyone who wants to use wireless router mode - square out of luck.

Device on each floor - centrally located around each. Couldn't be placed any more perfect. According to all the glowing reviews, the 6GHz backhaul should be more than enough for a house like mine. Even hardwired for testing made little difference (literally a cable run from a 1gb switch externally as my house isn't wired). Were they fast? Yes. Were they achieving speeds faster than my HD's? Yes. Were they consistent? Not even close. Signal wise, a simple stud wall would see a huge drop off in signal and speed (90% on both). Even monitoring the speeds from a static location would look like a roller coaster - from reaching the top end, to frequently going as low as 17mb. I don't live in a lead cage and it doesn't happen to the HD's which have never been located in ideal locations.

The Deco's will do a job for most, but the second you're talking full fiber internet above 500, I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole. I'd still argue that the range is also shockingly poor too, but for most on a slow internet connection, they probably don't notice that these boxes are only just hitting their internet speeds (and lan speeds are probably not a concern for the average user). To go back to the Ferrari analogy - if I buy one, I expect it to run like one. The HD's run exactly as expected and have a wealth of features that can be tweaked - no chance of that on a deco where your only option is to turn it off and on, or move them around the hosue and pray to the wifi gods that it improves. :cry:

I've got the Unifi kit arriving today to replace the Amplifi's. If they're 10% as good as the HD's, then they'll be better than the BE65's I tested by some margin (and a cheaper setup overall). I fully expect they will be as they're built by the same company!
 
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