Rude Awakening!

Capt Doufos said:
The main benifit of a LCD is this weather!!! a 22" CRT kicks out an awful lot of heat.
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yea tell me about it :( NEC FE1250+ and a small bedroom = mrbios is a rather toasty lad!
 
ok then, LCD wise it looks like a TN panel is the best way to go for a fast input response but out of the 20" widesceens on OcUK which use a TN panel,

I may place an add too ask if anyone wants to swap my Samsung 215tw for a good 20" widescreen, do you think people would be intrested, I know some people don't even notice the input lag or care about.
 
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lowrider007 said:
ok then, LCD wise it looks like a TN panel is the best way to go for a fast input response but out of the 20" widesceens on OcUK which use a TN panel,

I may place an add too ask if anyone wants to swap my Samsung 215tw for a good 20" widescreen, do you think people would be intrested, I know some people don't even notice the input lag or care about.
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Do TN panels compare with CRTs? If so what is a good model to look at?

Cheers

S
 
fish99 said:
They get closer, but at the expense of poor viewing angles.
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Hmmm ... think I will stick with a CRT then. Samsung 1100MB looks good. I also saw a Samsung 1100 DF. Does anyone know if these are the same tech or range? The reason I like the 1100DF is that it comes in black which goes more with the color scheme in my room.

S
 
tbh the only TFT I'd say is close to a CRT is the Viewsonic VX922 2ms one. I've seen the 3ms version and it is a lot better than my 12ms old VX912. I don't recall seeing any reports of lag although it's possible there is to some degree. It's likely to be less than most TFT's though.

But if I were to return to "competitive" gaming (very unlikely!) then there is no question I'd drag the CRT out again.
 
Being in the market for a new tft to replace my crt (need the deskspace) and seeing a fair few in action lately I'd say the TN panel tft's are awful as regards all round usefullness. Viewing angles are terrible and colour reproduction is badly gimped (many are only 6 bit colour with dithering...yuck). As for gaming speed the Viewsonic VX922 looks slightly quick'ish but everything else about it is totally inferior to a good crt. The best tft I've seen so far is the AS-IPS panel NEC widescreen 20WGX2. They seem to have made a real effort to get close to crt in many ways but still falls short tho. Shame they don't do a 4:3 aspect 20-21" version for a similiar price as I might be seriously tempted.

So from what I've seen crts stilll run rings around tft. LED tfts are the only panel that looks truely like it could be a crt beater....but you'd need to win the lottery to own one of them unfortunately :D
 
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Ozzie Dave said:
Being in the market for a new tft to replace my crt (need the deskspace) and seeing a fair few in action lately I'd say the TN panel tft's are awful as regards all round usefullness. Viewing angles are terrible and colour reproduction is badly gimped (many are only 6 bit colour with dithering...yuck). As for gaming speed the Viewsonic VX922 looks slightly quick'ish but everything else about it is totally inferior to a good crt. The best tft I've seen so far is the AS-IPS panel NEC widescreen 20WGX2. They seem to have made a real effort to get close to crt in many ways but still falls short tho. Shame they don't do a 4:3 aspect 20-21" version for a similiar price as I might be seriously tempted.

So from what I've seen crts stilll run rings around tft. LED tfts are the only panel that looks truely like it could be a crt beater....but you'd need to win the lottery to own one of them unfortunately :D
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Yah, I have to agree with what you said. I won't be buying an inferior quality panel just to achieve CRT responsiveness. Im going back to CRT and I will only buy another TFT after I have seen it in action and am fully satisfied with it. From what I've seen they have a long way to go before they reach CRT quality.

S
 
I will hold the torch for LCD's and firmly state that I would never go back to CRT regardless. I have to admit though, whilst I do game a lot, I am not into the competitive scene. For my needs, LCD far outweighs CRT.

Btw, interesting 1st choice of game you used there Sharkypal - SOE couldn't code a decent graphics engine if the "how to code a great graphics engine" bible hit them all squarely in the face. I've never seen the words EQ2 and responsive in the same sentence before :D
 
I'm another person that went back to my iiyama vm 454, mainly because I missed gaming at 16x12 though :) .
 
BubbySoup said:
I will hold the torch for LCD's and firmly state that I would never go back to CRT regardless. I have to admit though, whilst I do game a lot, I am not into the competitive scene. For my needs, LCD far outweighs CRT.

Btw, interesting 1st choice of game you used there Sharkypal - SOE couldn't code a decent graphics engine if the "how to code a great graphics engine" bible hit them all squarely in the face. I've never seen the words EQ2 and responsive in the same sentence before :D
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Well I will concede it is not a testament to great programming BUT you can tell the difference instantly between the CRT and the LCD. I play EQ2 a lot so the difference is immediately noticeable and it is a big difference. As I said before, if it wasnt a big difference, I would keep the LCD.

S
 
Humate said:
I cant believe that in this day and age we cant make a flat panel thats better than CRT... what a disgrace :mad:
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when you think crts have been around for 60 years its not that bad,oled is the way forward tho
 
Eliot said:
when you think crts have been around for 60 years its not that bad,oled is the way forward tho
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the first crt was invented in the 1880s, so crt tech is actually over 120 years old!

when my tft broke i did go back to crt for a day. but the lost deckspace wasnt worth it also i dont like the way crts work by using a single beam to scan every pixel.

it is like someone is shooting a high frequency beam gun right into my eye lol
 
Just wondering how the Dell 2007WFP, Philips 200W6CS and NEC 20WGX2 compare for input lag? I know the NEC is good but how about the other two.
 
You've probaby already seen this -

http://www.behardware.com/articles/632-1/lcds-images-delayed-compared-to-crts-yes.html

It's hard to say how much lag a screen might have without measuring it. I think in general though, from looking at the chart of page 2 of the link above, it does seem like there's a link between lag and response time. All the TN panels, even a widescreen, seem to perform much better than the others. It's likely that the Dell 2007WFP and Philips 200W6CS will compare roughly with the Belinea 10 20 35W results, and be slower than the NEC 20WGX2 results. I'm just guessing though TBH.

The lag is probably the result of several different factors - the respons time is clearly one, the amount of image processing the monitor does is probably another, the amount of pixels may well contribute too. Whatever lag there might be due to the electronics, you have to add ontop of that the response time to get the true amount of lag, so clearly the better the response time, the less lag you will get. Hence why the NEC does better than the other IPS/PVA/MVA screens, and also why the VX922 can deliver such excellent results.
 
This is a very interesting thread that has be resurrected. I didn't realise there was such a difference between the different panel technologies. I may have to go back to the drawing board with my short list.
 
Well i've hung up my guns from FPs and now play WoW and such slower paced games I have a 17" CRT at the moment which is like a mini heater on my desk. (My room temp was 29°C last night) I'm going for a widescreen 19" as soon as possible :D
 
I am sticking to my Dual 21" SGI monitors for my 3D animation and gaming they are much more responsive. My Hanns-G 19" Widescreen was bought for watching DVDs and Video, out of curiosity I had tried it to compare my CRT's to it and it really didn`t cut it. I might get three more Hanns-G 19" and create a small video wall and run it off my HTPC with asrock dual sata mobo as I can use the pci-e slot and agp slot with dual head video cards :cool:
 
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