Running Vista. Gaming a noticable drop

thedoc46

thedoc46

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Hey,

I took the plunge and installed Vista Ultimate, (FULL RETAIL not Beta from TechNet) running with a 7800GT, 2gig ram P4 HT 3.0ghz and though my gfx rating is 5.9 I am seeing a noticable drop in graphical quality on my games.. Admitally I've only really tried MotoGP3 and Battlefield2 so far, but it's there and it's noticable. Yeah I know my cpu could do with an upgrade, but that's going to have to go on hold until well into 2007!


Done a fresh install, cos the first attempted (shortcut) upgrade from XP, left my hardrive constantly churning away in idle.. Downloaded the latest ForceWare from Nvidia, but it aint no use.

ugh.... what should I do? Go back to XP :( until better drivers come out? Or is this it? the best I can get for my current rig?

Other than gaming, Vista is sweeeeeet. (but I am a gamer so this isn't ideal)
 
the problem is nvidia haven't released proper drivers yet and probably wont untill February.


Choices are to buy a ati card or stick with xp until nvidia get there act together.
 
You can run XP drivers on Vista, but you lose Aero (though if you game a lot then that shouldn't matter), then your FPS should be the same as XP or a few FPS more.
 
So despite the screams of a thousand gamers saying that Vista = reduced gaming performance you went ahead and tried it anyway? You were warned many times in advance :cool: especially when there's zero driver support.
 
Hardly suprising.

Inefficient drivers, and Vista will be taking up a massive chunk of resourses. Need to wait at least 6 months imo.
 
Edinho said:
Hardly suprising.

Inefficient drivers, and Vista will be taking up a massive chunk of resourses. Need to wait at least 6 months imo.
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rubbish, vista really doesn't take that much resource it is just the drivers. AtI are supposed to be fine with just a few frames slower. Seeing as there still beta that pretty good.
 
Vai said:
You can run XP drivers on Vista, but you lose Aero (though if you game a lot then that shouldn't matter), then your FPS should be the same as XP or a few FPS more.
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tried that, but it stopped me dead in my tracks saying that these drivers are not for this version of windows.
 
Do a format, and make two partitions on your HDD, one for Windows XP and therefore gaming, and the other for Vista. Should satisfy all your OS needs then, at least until Vista gets some decent support.
 
Hell you can even tripple boot xp32,64 & vista on RAID 0.
With 2gig RAM you're left with 70% after booting so I don’t think recourses are too much, well for microsoft anyway :D...gimmi linux anyday :cool:

Using vista drivers on nvidia I think there's a 40% drop in speed, dunno about xp drivers, though no aero is poo as it looks great.

I've heard vista is clumsy, bosted, over protective as in 'press continue to delete' & just try cut/pasting a file & not have permission ...FFS.
 
thedoc46 said:
Hey,

I took the plunge and installed Vista Ultimate, (FULL RETAIL not Beta from TechNet)
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Sorry?
Full Retail as you put it isn't available until the end of January.
The download offered to MSDN users is the same version that will appear in shops at the end of January - well with a slight change to activation.

Just wondered why you started your post in this manner - you're not running a version any different to anyone else out there.
 
juno_first said:
I've heard vista is clumsy, bosted, over protective as in 'press continue to delete' & just try cut/pasting a file & not have permission ...FFS.
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It does have that annoying factor yes, but you can disable it so you haven't got to click a button just to open a program etc. It's in User Account Control I believe if anyone is interested.
 
Unless you have MSDN subscription you shouldn't be running ultimate. And if you do have MSDN subscription then you would know exactly why Vista isn't suitable for gaming yet. I definitely smell something torrent like about it all.

I personally feel we are talking about a Torrent RTM. Certainly not Vista Ultimate Retail. Unless the original OP can point us to where he purchased this more than elusive copy of Vista.

I am a pathetic p r i c k
 
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the-void said:
Unless you have MSDN subscription you shouldn't be running ultimate. And if you do have MSDN subscription then you would know exactly why Vista isn't suitable for gaming yet. I definitely smell something torrent like about it all.

I personally feel we are talking about a Torrent RTM. Certainly not Vista Ultimate Retail. Unless the original OP can point us to where he purchased this more than elusive copy of Vista.
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Probably from the company he works at i imagine? :confused:
 
Got vista ultimate running here, on a partition on my computer, although I got it throught the msdn sub through work as all our work pcs were too slow to run vista I offered my gaming rig as the IS director wanted to play around in vista to get a feel for the new OS.

One thing I would have to say is that vista tends to need over 1Gb of RAM, at 1Gb during gaming load times are longer and there is constant HDD actvitiy.

For gamers and vista I can see 3-4Gb being needed in a year or so.

The drivers are very immature at the moment especially for nvidia cards, but given time and some tweaking, vista will become the gamers choice. The time it takes for gamers to imbrace vista will depend a lot on MS. IF they develop the platform for gamers, like xbox live, adding management tools and auto patching tools then I would imagine that more gamers would be drawn over to vista gaming.

From my testing the FPS has been slower than XP by around 3-5 frames depending on the game, but I imagine that this is due to the Directx 9.0L emulation working in vista.

For the time being, vista looks pretty, and its well worth sitting down at to understand the os differences. I myself have a vista admin course I have booked in the new year to try and stay a couple of steps ahead of the industry and business.
 
the-void said:
Unless you have MSDN subscription you shouldn't be running ultimate. And if you do have MSDN subscription then you would know exactly why Vista isn't suitable for gaming yet. I definitely smell something torrent like about it all.

I personally feel we are talking about a Torrent RTM. Certainly not Vista Ultimate Retail. Unless the original OP can point us to where he purchased this more than elusive copy of Vista.
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I'm running Vista Business 64bit, the final version. Everything's been fine so far, except that the ati drivers don't support opengl yet, so quake 4 and doom look like rubbish. EQ2 is actually running a bit faster than it did on xp.
 
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