RX VEGA - Too shine will need Dev Support

[shankly1985]

I knew they is a lot of you sick to death of hearing AMD will get better over time bah bah Fine Wine Bah Bah
I understand this RX Vega is very Late and looking like around $100 priced too high over each package.

But i'll be buying RX VEGA I stand by AMD approach to PC gaming and Open Source and for that reason I will take the gamble that RX Vega will get better the more gaming start using the GPU.. If I can get the same amount of time I have had with my R9 290 Gaming at 1440p I be very happy "Still to this day I shocked how well it performs in recent titles"

Anyways couple things I have been catching up on is RX VEGA feature set will benefit most from devs wanting to use the GPU more effectively - Rapid Packed Math FP16 and HBCC could very well be RX Vega hidden performance! But we here again if Devs will use it? If they don't well......

For Cry 5 and Wolfenstein 2 Both going to use FP16 on RX Vega
So is VEGA truly depending on Devs to get the best out of the GPU otherwise you really just have an overclocked FuryX with the features disabled?
AMD released A Game Profiler with Driver 17.7.2 to give the game developers direct access to the full GPU so hopefully these Features that require dev teams to use will be taken onboard and not forgotten about Lol

 

[shankly1985]

Going off your history, you'll end up buying a Vega 56 and we both know it.

Matt do you think with some tweaks we could get a rock solid 1700 on the core for the Liquid cooled version? or even higher?

 

[shankly1985]

My other concern is the whole "need Dev support". I believe we have been saying that about every AMD product since Bulldozer was released. Do we have any reason to think that this will be the time the Devs decide to make sizeable changes to the way they work in order to support the minority customer base?

Even if it's the case AMD have never been very good at getting developer support, it's mostly just one those things that gets put out when a product isn't competitive it's like dangling a carrot in front of buyers.

Bulldozer/Piledriver still suck to this day about 6-7 years after being told how much better they'll get when developers multithread more and even AMD admitted it was a poor architecture by getting to work on Ryzen.

To be fair AMD have come along way in recent years with dev support, they even managed to get some of the Nvidia close partnerships like Bethesda, Now seems Ubi is on board so the list is now growing quite fast. Now they added in Driver support Profiler I honestly feel this is the best time for AMD when it comes to partnership support

EA/Dice
Bethesda
Ubisoft
Square Enix
Oxide Games

And I sure they is more that is some really big names and Games, a far cry from when it used to only be like Dice a couple years ago.

 

[shankly1985]

But long after the hardware is really relevant - games and applications started, by natural progression, to use more cores just in time for the old FX series to have a last gasp against their contemporariness before no longer being relevant, Hawaii based GPUs finally saw some better utilisation as the door is closing on their usefulness. Vega will likely be no different - by the time the industry naturally progresses to where the features are better utilised time will be up for GPUs based on Vega.

AMD keeps doing the same thing and expecting a different result, there is nothing wrong with trying to be forward thinking and push the industry along but you need to be in better lock step with it.

Raja in one of the recent AMD videos go's onto say Vega is here for next 20 years what does he mean by that? surely I understand 20 years on from now RX vega isn't going to be playing them titles very well so what does he mean?
https://youtu.be/-DpkVnvZ8hc?t=48

 

[shankly1985]

Desperate stuff.

I almost feel sorry for you guys. Almost - were it not for the fact that you over hyped Fury, over-hyped Polaris, and continue to over-hype Vega, based on nothing but fantasy.

I wonder how you'll react when Nvidia release Volta six months from now with 50 percent improved performance over Pascal. You will hype Navi to oblivion, claiming it will miraculously double Vega's performance.

I almost feel sorry for you for thinking i care about what nvidia is doing/brings All i care about is my own upgrade path.

 

[shankly1985]

It'll never shine, no matter how much its polished.

Lets wait for FarCry 5 and Wolfenstein 2 Two games that we know that will use the RX Vega features

 

[shankly1985]

Why wouldn't you care what Nvidia is doing or bringing to the table? To act like they don't exist for a pro AMD approach is pure fanboyism.

I have no interest in buying Nvidia. I'm very well aware of what they're offering however which is why I find vega to be such a failure. And would rather not purchase any card.

Because I have no intention of buying why would I care? Let people care that are interested in there products.