Ryzen 2600X temps up to 96degC

[RampantMark]

Hello all,

Recently purchased PC appears to have high temperature CPU and I would really appreciate some advice.

System spec as follows:

Gigabyte Aorus B450 Elite; Ryzen 5 2600X (standard cooler); Sapphire Vega 56 Pulse; Kolink Stronghold Case (2 x 120mm fans); 2 x 8Gb Vengeance 3000.


I only really noticed the high temperatures by accident after reading some threads on here, and trialling HWMonitor, CoreTemp and latterly RyzenMaster software.

I bought this PC primarily to run Elite Dangerous in VR and purchased an Oculus Rift S after buying the PC, although I also liked Beat Sabre as another "reason" to go VR.

I noticed that running Elite in VR on the default graphics settings my CPU temps hit highs of 88 to 89 deg C after 30 min of play.
So that got me thinking about normal temps. As I type, RyzenMaster shows up to 56 deg C. HWMonitor mirrors the RyzenMaster CPU temps accurately, and just now shows max of 65, just from downloading and installing a couple of Gigabyte Apps...

The other morning I played Shadow of War for 30 minutes and temps reportedly hit a max of 96! There were no system crashes or glitches or weird behaviour. It just looks as though it gets hot. So I installed a 140mm inlet fan to make sure airflow through the case was sufficient. Vega graphics temps are reporting always slightly lower than the Ryzen 5, which I find odd? The third case fan doesn't seem to make much difference in temps, even though airflow seems better (tested with a trace of smole from an incense stick!)


I've only just managed to find the Ryzen Balanced power plan,so I've now switched to that.

I've also ordered a DeepCool L120 as recommended in another thread, to see if that works? I didn't know if the thermal coupling between the processor and the standard cooler may be insufficient, but can't really unplug it to find out, although it appears to be seated firmly...

However, I have another odd problem that I think might be related. In Elite Dangerous, I "should" be able to run far better graphics settings. I have a friend with a Ryzen 1600 system and the exact same graphics card as mine, and he's able to run an original Rift VR with supersampling at 2.0 (mine at 1.0), more powerful antialiasing, and HMD quality at 2.0 (mine at 1.0). When I load his settings, my rig can't cope, drops frames even just looking at the information board while docked at a space station and generally stutters really bad without even launching the ship. Needless to say, CPU temps hit high 80's.

In Ryzen Master, it shows that I'm constanly running 95% of peak current (125A) on the stock power plan...

I will install the DeepCool cooler at the weekend, but any advice or tips beforehand on what else to look at would be appreciated.

Yours Aye

Mark H

 

[Panos]

Hello all,

Recently purchased PC appears to have high temperature CPU and I would really appreciate some advice.

System spec as follows:

Gigabyte Aorus B450 Elite; Ryzen 5 2600X (standard cooler); Sapphire Vega 56 Pulse; Kolink Stronghold Case (2 x 120mm fans); 2 x 8Gb Vengeance 3000.


I only really noticed the high temperatures by accident after reading some threads on here, and trialling HWMonitor, CoreTemp and latterly RyzenMaster software.

I bought this PC primarily to run Elite Dangerous in VR and purchased an Oculus Rift S after buying the PC, although I also liked Beat Sabre as another "reason" to go VR.

I noticed that running Elite in VR on the default graphics settings my CPU temps hit highs of 88 to 89 deg C after 30 min of play.
So that got me thinking about normal temps. As I type, RyzenMaster shows up to 56 deg C. HWMonitor mirrors the RyzenMaster CPU temps accurately, and just now shows max of 65, just from downloading and installing a couple of Gigabyte Apps...

The other morning I played Shadow of War for 30 minutes and temps reportedly hit a max of 96! There were no system crashes or glitches or weird behaviour. It just looks as though it gets hot. So I installed a 140mm inlet fan to make sure airflow through the case was sufficient. Vega graphics temps are reporting always slightly lower than the Ryzen 5, which I find odd? The third case fan doesn't seem to make much difference in temps, even though airflow seems better (tested with a trace of smole from an incense stick!)


I've only just managed to find the Ryzen Balanced power plan,so I've now switched to that.

I've also ordered a DeepCool L120 as recommended in another thread, to see if that works? I didn't know if the thermal coupling between the processor and the standard cooler may be insufficient, but can't really unplug it to find out, although it appears to be seated firmly...

However, I have another odd problem that I think might be related. In Elite Dangerous, I "should" be able to run far better graphics settings. I have a friend with a Ryzen 1600 system and the exact same graphics card as mine, and he's able to run an original Rift VR with supersampling at 2.0 (mine at 1.0), more powerful antialiasing, and HMD quality at 2.0 (mine at 1.0). When I load his settings, my rig can't cope, drops frames even just looking at the information board while docked at a space station and generally stutters really bad without even launching the ship. Needless to say, CPU temps hit high 80's.

In Ryzen Master, it shows that I'm constanly running 95% of peak current (125A) on the stock power plan...

I will install the DeepCool cooler at the weekend, but any advice or tips beforehand on what else to look at would be appreciated.

Yours Aye

Mark H

These temps are normal for 2600X. You have cooling issues with the case & CPU cooler.

 

[Lolik]

Hello all,

Recently purchased PC appears to have high temperature CPU and I would really appreciate some advice.

System spec as follows:

Gigabyte Aorus B450 Elite; Ryzen 5 2600X (standard cooler); Sapphire Vega 56 Pulse; Kolink Stronghold Case (2 x 120mm fans); 2 x 8Gb Vengeance 3000.


I only really noticed the high temperatures by accident after reading some threads on here, and trialling HWMonitor, CoreTemp and latterly RyzenMaster software.

I bought this PC primarily to run Elite Dangerous in VR and purchased an Oculus Rift S after buying the PC, although I also liked Beat Sabre as another "reason" to go VR.

I noticed that running Elite in VR on the default graphics settings my CPU temps hit highs of 88 to 89 deg C after 30 min of play.
So that got me thinking about normal temps. As I type, RyzenMaster shows up to 56 deg C. HWMonitor mirrors the RyzenMaster CPU temps accurately, and just now shows max of 65, just from downloading and installing a couple of Gigabyte Apps...

The other morning I played Shadow of War for 30 minutes and temps reportedly hit a max of 96! There were no system crashes or glitches or weird behaviour. It just looks as though it gets hot. So I installed a 140mm inlet fan to make sure airflow through the case was sufficient. Vega graphics temps are reporting always slightly lower than the Ryzen 5, which I find odd? The third case fan doesn't seem to make much difference in temps, even though airflow seems better (tested with a trace of smole from an incense stick!)


I've only just managed to find the Ryzen Balanced power plan,so I've now switched to that.

I've also ordered a DeepCool L120 as recommended in another thread, to see if that works? I didn't know if the thermal coupling between the processor and the standard cooler may be insufficient, but can't really unplug it to find out, although it appears to be seated firmly...

However, I have another odd problem that I think might be related. In Elite Dangerous, I "should" be able to run far better graphics settings. I have a friend with a Ryzen 1600 system and the exact same graphics card as mine, and he's able to run an original Rift VR with supersampling at 2.0 (mine at 1.0), more powerful antialiasing, and HMD quality at 2.0 (mine at 1.0). When I load his settings, my rig can't cope, drops frames even just looking at the information board while docked at a space station and generally stutters really bad without even launching the ship. Needless to say, CPU temps hit high 80's.

In Ryzen Master, it shows that I'm constanly running 95% of peak current (125A) on the stock power plan...

I will install the DeepCool cooler at the weekend, but any advice or tips beforehand on what else to look at would be appreciated.

Yours Aye

Mark H

Defo not normal, used mine 2600x with 4.225 allcore oc and offset of 0.25v , which was spiking around 1.46v on vcore (iirc) and it behaved like a really cold chip (which it is) , however was using Noctua d15s and side panel open, with two 120mm in the back and top of the case, but still if it behaved like yours - would've had no chance of cooling it down at all. Sounds like a classical thermal paste not working or cooler not being pressed enough to the ihs. These stock coolers are not very good (just enough) ,but you shouldn't get more than 80+ on heavy use.

 

[scotty63]

I had a R5 1600 with the boxed wraith cooler in a Corsair carbide 300R case with 2x140mm intake fans, 1x120mm exhaust fan and 1x120mm top at the rear fan with a red dragon V56 and i dont think it ever went above 60 degrees. Not an X chip i know but you could do with sticking a few more fans in your case after checking Loliks advise, Cheers.

 

[RampantMark]

Thanks for the comments so far. I also think it appears like a cooler fitment and efficiency issue (perhaps compounded by a poor case design???).
Beat Sabre the other day registered 68 deg max with side panel on, and then 63 deg with side panel off.
Tried a bit more Shadow of War this morning and it actually crashed while playing, so no way to find out what temperature it reached.

When I fit the new DeepCool L120 AiO cooler, what would be people's recommended layout?

Replace back panel exhaust fan?
Fit cooler in roof and keep the existing exhaust back fan?
Replace exhaust back fan and move the existing fan to the roof vent? (Where in roof? Back, middle or front of 240mm roof vent area?)

 

[an0nym0us]

The CPU temperature does seem on the high side.

As a test, try opening up the case and, if you have one, use a room fan to add additional airflow. If that helps, then your case airflow is the issue. If that doesn't help, then something isn't right with the CPU cooling.

 

[subbytna]

Thanks for the comments so far. I also think it appears like a cooler fitment and efficiency issue (perhaps compounded by a poor case design???).
Beat Sabre the other day registered 68 deg max with side panel on, and then 63 deg with side panel off.
Tried a bit more Shadow of War this morning and it actually crashed while playing, so no way to find out what temperature it reached.

When I fit the new DeepCool L120 AiO cooler, what would be people's recommended layout?

Replace back panel exhaust fan?
Fit cooler in roof and keep the existing exhaust back fan?
Replace exhaust back fan and move the existing fan to the roof vent? (Where in roof? Back, middle or front of 240mm roof vent area?)

If it's a 120, then use it in the rear exhaust fan area, venting out of the case. Move the current rear fan to the roof and have it as an exhaust too. With two exhaust fans going (one helping the natural heat rising to escape) You should be good to go.

 

[Jimbo]

Im getting my deepcool today ill let you know if theres any significant improvement in temps. Im going to remove the rear exhaust fan and mount on front so ive 2 x 120mm intake fans. And the deepcools 120mm fan on rear exhaust.

 

[R3X]

Would also say its the CPU cooler, I remember I once struggled for 2 days testing and diagnosing a really hot old skool AMD chip think it was XP3200 and I must have undone the brackets and heatsink and re-applied paste at least 20 times. The instructions were terrible and badly printed but by the off chance I reinstalled the heat sink a full 180 so it was facing the opposite way and clipped it on and temps dropped by 15c, so it went from something like 60c @Idle to 45c idle. It stopped crashing @ 75-80c on prime too, I made sure since I ran prime for 4hrs.

Real homer Simpson moment

If you can remove the entire main board outside the case on a desk or table so its easier to work with and see if anythings not clicked or connected properly, read the manuals and watch some youtube vids on cpu heatsink installation just to make sure its 100% right and then install the cpu cooler slowly, remember its not about being the hare you want to be the turtle.

Case fans certainly help but if you leave the side panel open and just test the mainboard + cpu with cooler + gpu in its a easier way to diagnose imo, if you put the side panel back on and temps shoot up then you know its case fans and airflow issue.

I would also update bios and drivers and windows updates, particularly CPU bios and make sure you use a tool that checks AMD tempts properly like the Ryzen Master others may report it incorrect.

 

[RampantMark]

Thanks for the reply R3X.

I have some good news.

Over the past few days I've:

- updated BIOS, (step by step, as "noted" on the gigabyte website);
- Investigated Windows Power Plan = Ryzen Balanced, and made some tweaks;
- and fitted the DeepCool Gammaxx L120 AiO liquid cooler...


First up, I don't think BIOS was making much of an impact. I upgraded version F5 -> F32 -> F40 -> F41, and each time reset the RAM frequency to 3000MHz. I had to install a couple of other gigabyte tools as well, none of which I really know what they do. But it still appears to be running stable.

Next was looking at edit of the Power Plan - something that I picked up as a possibility from another thread on here. Formerly, in RyenMaster, all cores would be stuck constantly at 4150MHz. All the time. No variance. That's a boost speed, but it was in sustained boost pretty much steady state. No wonder it was showing the current as 91-96% of peak current draw (125A peak), without dropping below the 91% point,ever, and sustaining the amber and red text. This is what I think was driving the heat.
I experimented with changing the processor utilisation in the Ryzen Balanced Power Plan. The plan had 100% as maximum, and 95% as minimum(?). I dropped the minimum down to 85% and immediately this dropped the current draw to 45% of peak, with all 6 cores dropping from steady state 4150MHz to ball park 2600-3200MHz with occasional blips up to 4100MHz. So far so good. I also put the maximum processor utilisation to 99%. That also droped the current a bit. I've settled on max 100% and minimum 90% minmum. Core speeds are now agile from 2100 to 4250MHz and jumping around merrily, driving the EDC (CPU) current drawn box in RyzenMaster from as little as 47% of maximum 125Amps, maintaining mostly 50-65% average current and occasional blips up to 88%, none of that is amber or red text that it was stuck in before...

Finally, today I spent a couple of hours fitting the liquid cooler. It's a lovely bit of kit.
The standard cooler has a small circular copper heat sink plate - sadly, it isn't big enough to completely cover the Ryzen5 chip, leaving the corners not covered. This I find to be weird and clearly inadequate.
The DeepCool cooler has a GIGANTOR copper heat plate. Way bigger than the Ryzen5 chip.
The important part was removing the chip from the ZIF socket to clean it. I bought a kit of paste cleaner fluid + purification solution + Arctic Silver for this and took a bit of time to clean up and "purify" the chip surface before replacing in the socket and laying a small pea of Silver paste
I quite liked the straight forward cooler-to-chip fitment. The only fiddly bit was the backing plate that dropped away after removing the standard cooler, but that was improvised by screwing a long screw that was supplied with the cooler, into the plate screw point and lifting it up to the main board so that the actual short-threaded fitting kit screws could be screwed in to retain the backing plate in place. the rest was really very easy.
Fitting the radiator and fan and mating to the RGB points was also pretty straight forward.
I'm still a bit stunned that it only cost £40. Brilliant.

Booting up the PC had the "Smart Fan" utility calibrating the fans, and a quick look on RyzenMaster confirmed that the cooler was working as intended.

I also fiddled with the individual fan curves...

Then I ran Ungine Superposition VR benchmark - which came back with a full score of 10,000 - and the CPU temp never increased beyond 59degC. BOOM.

So a combination of Power Plan manipulation and bargain liquid cooler has got the temps properly under control. The test will be when I have a go at Shadow of War, which previously peaked CPU temps at 95-96degC.

 

[4K8KW10]

I experimented with changing the processor utilisation in the Ryzen Balanced Power Plan. The plan had 100% as maximum, and 95% as minimum(?). I dropped the minimum down to 85% and immediately this dropped the current draw to 45% of peak, with all 6 cores dropping from steady state 4150MHz to ball park 2600-3200MHz with occasional blips up to 4100MHz. So far so good. I also put the maximum processor utilisation to 99%. That also droped the current a bit. I've settled on max 100% and minimum 90% minmum. Core speeds are now agile from 2100 to 4250MHz and jumping around merrily, driving the EDC (CPU) current drawn box in RyzenMaster from as little as 47% of maximum 125Amps, maintaining mostly 50-65% average current and occasional blips up to 88%, none of that is amber or red text that it was stuck in before...

Minimum has to be 0%, maximum 100%.

 

[RampantMark]

Minimum has to be 0%, maximum 100%.

That clearly makes total sense!
I'm wondering why different Power Plans use different numbers?

By entering the minimum value of 0%, does that affect the processor response time to ramp up to high utilisation from idle, and by doing this is transient performance somehow reduced? Perhaps that's why "Performance" plans use higher numbers in the minimum?

 

[RampantMark]

I'm now probably sorted.
Played Shadow of War for 1Hr. Max CPU temp 68°C. = Reduction of approx 30°C from previously.
Beat Sabre in Rift S. Max CPU 58°C = reduction of 15°C.
Elite Dangerous in Rift S VR (at same graphics settings as before) Max CPU 60°C = reduction of 20°C from yesterday.

Ultimate aim will be if I can improve the graphics settings in Elite Dangerous to what the PC ought to be able to handle.

Thanks for the help in this thread and for info gained on other recent threads here as well.

 

[R3X]

I'm now probably sorted.
Played Shadow of War for 1Hr. Max CPU temp 68°C. = Reduction of approx 30°C from previously.
Beat Sabre in Rift S. Max CPU 58°C = reduction of 15°C.
Elite Dangerous in Rift S VR (at same graphics settings as before) Max CPU 60°C = reduction of 20°C from yesterday.

Ultimate aim will be if I can improve the graphics settings in Elite Dangerous to what the PC ought to be able to handle.

Thanks for the help in this thread and for info gained on other recent threads here as well.

glad to hear its worked, sounds like it was really the cpu cooler then that solved all the issues mainly ?

 

[Jimbo]

I agree with the above post the CPU cooler is excellent. Its transformed my whole build. Does an excellent job of cooling my 3600 and was a mere 39.99