Ryzen 5 3600 stock cooler change

haaammit · 19 Aug 2021 at 15:46

Hallo all - I've recently built a system with the above on an MSI Tomahawk B450 MAX2 in a Bitfenix Mesh Nova TG SE A-RGB case and would like to change the stock cooler for something A: a bit better and B: more gaudy (rgb)
This case and this motherboard

The space between the top of the board and the inside of the glass is just over 160mm. The ones I was considering were
Jonsbro CR-1000 GT 120mm ARGB
and
AeroCool Cylon 4F ARGB

I assume that size would fit in the case ok. They are both ARGB so would I be able to plug the led cable into the BitFenix 6+6 Controller that currently sets the case fans so the cpu fan would sync with them?

Are those linked coolers going to be better than the stock AMD Wraith Stealth cooler that came with the chip? I'm not OCing at the moment but would like something capable if I do, plus early temps seem to be ~75°c during gaming although I've not done much gaming/testing yet. Using Cinebench temps went no higher that 84°c

Cheers all

Edit: Is it worth fitting an additional 120mm fan on the top of the case as an additional exhaust?

doyll · 19 Aug 2021 at 18:31

If your 160mm from case to motherboard is accurate case has about 152mm CPU clearance. Distance from motherboard surface to top of CPU is typically 8mm.
Jonsbo CR-1000 is 158mm tall.
Cylon 4F ARGB is 160mm tall.
Both are too tall if your 160mm measurement is correct.

Most any small tower cooler is better than stock cooler .. if for no other reason than it's exhaust is toward rear vent thus direcxting heated exhaust air toward vent instead of over entire motherboard where it mixes with and heats up air going to cooler.

I suggest using something like Brocken ECO
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/alpenfohn-brocken-eco-advanced-cpu-cooler-120-mm-hs-05j-al.html

Probably not. Top exhausts tend to draw air up from GPU into path of CPU causing it to be warmer entering cooler .. and every degree warmer air is entering cooler becomes same degrees hotter CPU is (at same load and fan speed). If case has another front vent put 2nd intake fan there .. and block any openings in fan mounting panel so air they push into motherboard compartment cannot lead into front area and end up going incircles instead of being pushed on through case and out.

gpuerrilla · 22 Aug 2021 at 23:42

The prism seems to be the stock cooler that is actually OK. When I got my 3600 I just transferred my previous AIO onto it and butchered the stock cooler on other projects. (Alas we didn't get the prism with the 3600 otherwise would not be in this situation!)

Recently I realised the AIO is rather old now (~8 years) so done some research myself. This guys has done the best roundup I found, and if I was to not get the one he recommends it would be the vetroo V5 (which I think has RGB which your after) that I would otherwise select.

Esat recommended some good ones and the Gammaxx range is a cheap and cheerful option.

doyll · 23 Aug 2021 at 15:30

Sadly reviewer Th0nt linked is well known for results way off what accurate review sites get when testing same coolers on same CPUs.

Best reviews use synthetic heat bases instead of CPUs. CPUs vary in load and temp easily 3-5c running same load software.
At the very least look for reviews that monitor air temp entering cooler and record it same time they record CPU temp. At the very least use reviews that test on open bench rather than in case built system. Air on open bench is only a few degrees warmer than room ambient. This is because of heat sources around bench, like people, lights, PSU, etc. Air air temp is always at least a few degrees warmer than room .. in case built test stations it can easily be 10-15c higher than room and is completely dependent on how good case airflow is setup. A written test procedure is also extremely important. This is where you will find out if they are actually monitoring air temp entering cooler and recording it at same time as CPU temp is recorded. Reason this is so important is number of degrees change in air temp is entering cooler results is almost exactly the same degrees change in CPU (or GPU) temp cooler is on. With 2-5c difference in actual load temp combined with 3-6c differences in air temp results can quickly stack up to be as much as10-11c! Meaning their cooler test results are have similar 10-11c warmer or cooler than results they publish.

Below is list of a couple of the best:
https://www.gamersnexus.net/tag/cpu-coolers
https://www.anandtech.com/tag/casecoolingpsus

haaammit · 27 Aug 2021 at 20:46

Cheers for the help. As it is I ended up with a Silverstone PF240 PermaFrost AIO cooler, which seems to be doing a good job. Many thank for the tips though

gpuerrilla · 27 Aug 2021 at 21:03

doyll said:
Best reviews use synthetic heat bases instead of CPUs.

What you mean by this?

FWIW although I think tech jesus is probably the best in the scene, I don't worship the guy or shills like Jayz2cents. You have to remind yourselves that tech jesus has a mammoth audience and has test bench gear and access to people in the industry that most viewers can only dream of. Sadly he doesnt test everything out there and is pretty busy on his own schedule.

This is why I wouldn't berate a small channel (especially if they are covering something you have on your shortlist) and think (as all advice should be) of it as a basis for DYOR. I tend to keep my opinions open and spend time looking around before buying most equipment. Its rather like the silicon lottery with CPU/GPUs, just because one person gets great results it doesn't mean all of them will be the same in someone else's build.

What you can do is see what popular coolers there are out there and its pretty easy to deduce the ones that are not so good - as they seem to score the worst in multiple videos out there.