ryzen 5 3600 vs ryzen 7 2700x

[Superflyguyuk]

Hi all

Question, i'm doing my first build with B450 GAMING PRO CARBON MAX WIFI, and Sapphire RX 5600XT (2x8gb 3200 hz ram, in a Lian li mesh case). I can get either ryzen 5 3600 or ryzen 7 2700x at the same price £170 or would you just go for the 3 3300X at £120? Which is best, I tend to use the pc for 70% gaming and 30% general stuff watching movies, web browsing etc.

Any help would be great

oh I maybe willing to wait until mid sept to buy, but I keep checking onling for offers so may just buy an item every week or so.

 

[humbug]

Hi all

Question, i'm doing my first build with B450 GAMING PRO CARBON MAX WIFI, and Sapphire RX 5600XT (2x8gb 3200 hz ram, in a Lian li mesh case). I can get either ryzen 5 3600 or ryzen 7 2700x at the same price £170. Which is best, I tend to use the pc for 70% gaming and 30% general stuff watching movies, web browsing etc.

Any help would be great

oh I maybe willing to wait until mid sept to buy, but I keep checking onling for offers so may just buy an item every week or so.

For multithreaded productivity the 2700X is better given it has 8 cores 16 threads vs 6 cores 12 threads on the 3600, for single threaded performance and games the 3600 is better as it has higher per core / clock performance (IPC)

So if you do more video encoding than gaming get the 2700X, if you do more gaming get the 3600.

 

[humbug]

 

[Tetras]

70% gaming I'd go 3600.

 

[TNA]

Just wait and get a 4600 in a few months or go 3600 now.

 

[CuriousTomCat]

Yeah the 4600 should destroy the 2700x in every scenario.

 

[MatteRB26]

I'd wait to see what happens with 4000, but if you had to choose right now - get the 3600. 70% of the time you'll be glad you did it, and the other 30% you most likely won't even notice anything to regret it.

I upgraded from a 3570k to a 3600 and I was debating the 2700x because I do coding etc. with large projects and JetBrains products. The 3600 eats it up.

 

[555BUK]

I "upgraded" from a 1700 @ to a 3600. TBH, there's not much difference. Even within games I struggle to see any change.

System #1
1700 @ 3800MHz 1.325v
MSI B450M Mortar MATX Mobo
16GB G.Skill TridentZ RAM (Samsung B-Die) @ 3400MHz CL14 1.35v
MSI 5700XT Gamaing X

System #2
3600 @ 4200MHz all-core @ 1.3v
MSI B450M Mortar MATX Mobo
16GB G.Skill TridentZ RAM (Samsung B-Die) @ 3800MHz CL14 / 1900Mhz IF 1.45v
MSI 5700XT Gamaing X

The Youtube comparisons between 1700, 2700 & 3600 tend to exhibit these processors at stock core & memory clocks. Earlier Ryzen processors saw far bigger gains from overclocking. On my 1700, going stock clocks to 3.8GHz & from 2666MHz CL16 RAM to 3400Mhz CL14 (w/tight timings) gave HUGE ~20% gains.

The 3600's superior memory controller & IF offer decent gains over a stock 1700 (or 2700), however overclocking the RAM & IF return far smaller gains. For example, overclocking a 3600 to 4.2GHz all-core, and it's memory from 3200 to 3800 (w/1900 IF) boosts overall gaming and system performance by only ~5%.

Sure, there are some things the 3600 will do better. Gaming @ low/med resolution plus any apps that cannot take advantage of >6 cores will favour the 3600's higher base-clocks and lower-latency. Overall, there'll be a barely-noticeable difference between an overclocked 2700 and an overclocked 3600. I really would not be able to tell the difference between the two above systems, without running benchmarks.

IMO, it's not worth upgrading - unless (like me) you get kicks from building, testing, and generally playing with new stuff. People who want a worthwhile performance upgrade from a 1700/2700 should look towards the 3900X/3950X, or wait for the 4000's. Also expect to see some bargain 3700/3800/3900/3950 prices (new & used) once the 4000's hit the shelves.

 

[humbug]

You did go from an 8 core to a 6 core and still got a 20% performance jump.

As for gaming, the 3600 is much better, if you use the resolution and GPU that puts the load on the CPU.

3600 vs 2700 the MT performance is near the same with the 3600 also being the better gaming CPU, even if you don't see that its still the better option IMO because you're not losing in MT performance

 

[555BUK]

You did go from an 8 core to a 6 core and still got a 20% performance jump.

As for gaming, the 3600 is much better, if you use the resolution and GPU that puts the load on the CPU.

3600 vs 2700 the MT performance is near the same with the 3600 also being the better gaming CPU, even if you don't see that its still the better option IMO because you're not losing in MT performance

I was not knocking the 3600. Just saying that it was not really worthwhile upgrading to one from a 1700/2700, especially when overclock-limits of each processor are considered.

Regarding gaming - with both systems overclocked and a 5700XT (or better) @ 1440P on Ultra-settings, there really is almost no-difference between each processor.

Moving from a 2700 to a 3600 is a side-grade unless both are at stock. Even then it's still close.

edit: I upgraded/sidegraded from 1700 to 3600 because I wanted something new to play with. I wanted to see how much I could get out of my existing RAM/Mobo combo. I knew what I was getting beforehand so have no regrets.

edit2: Apologies, I misread the OP. For anyone buying NEW, the 3600 is the better proposition against a 2700 - simply because it is newer and will hold it's value better. If buying used then the 2700 (or even a 1700) will be the better option. Used 1700's go for ~£65 2700's for ~£100 and 3600's for ~£130. At stock settings the 3600 will offer the best gaming experince, with the 2700 up to 10% behind and the 1700 a further ~10% behind. With all three overclocked the gap closes.

 

[Pannalicour]

I "upgraded" from a 1700 @ to a 3600. TBH, there's not much difference. Even within games I struggle to see any change.

System #1
1700 @ 3800MHz 1.325v
MSI B450M Mortar MATX Mobo
16GB G.Skill TridentZ RAM (Samsung B-Die) @ 3400MHz CL14 1.35v
MSI 5700XT Gamaing X

System #2
3600 @ 4200MHz all-core @ 1.3v
MSI B450M Mortar MATX Mobo
16GB G.Skill TridentZ RAM (Samsung B-Die) @ 3800MHz CL14 / 1900Mhz IF 1.45v
MSI 5700XT Gamaing X

The Youtube comparisons between 1700, 2700 & 3600 tend to exhibit these processors at stock core & memory clocks. Earlier Ryzen processors saw far bigger gains from overclocking. On my 1700, going stock clocks to 3.8GHz & from 2666MHz CL16 RAM to 3400Mhz CL14 (w/tight timings) gave HUGE ~20% gains.

The 3600's superior memory controller & IF offer decent gains over a stock 1700 (or 2700), however overclocking the RAM & IF return far smaller gains. For example, overclocking a 3600 to 4.2GHz all-core, and it's memory from 3200 to 3800 (w/1900 IF) boosts overall gaming and system performance by only ~5%.

Sure, there are some things the 3600 will do better. Gaming @ low/med resolution plus any apps that cannot take advantage of >6 cores will favour the 3600's higher base-clocks and lower-latency. Overall, there'll be a barely-noticeable difference between an overclocked 2700 and an overclocked 3600. I really would not be able to tell the difference between the two above systems, without running benchmarks.

IMO, it's not worth upgrading - unless (like me) you get kicks from building, testing, and generally playing with new stuff. People who want a worthwhile performance upgrade from a 1700/2700 should look towards the 3900X/3950X, or wait for the 4000's. Also expect to see some bargain 3700/3800/3900/3950 prices (new & used) once the 4000's hit the shelves.

The ryzen 1700 is still a great cpu when memory tweaked. But in your case I think you are gpu bound. Even having the 10900k would make no difference.

 

[Saul Farrell]

If you're gaming most of the time then get the 3600