Ryzen 5 3600x stock wraith stealth cpu fan

lynch006 · 19 Sep 2019 at 20:44

Hi all,

Recently built a pc. Build is Ryzen 5 3600x cpu, Corsair 2x8gb ram, gigabyte rx 5700 xt OC GPU, Corsair m.2 memory, msi tomahawk Max MOBO. Operating system is window 10 pro and bios update to the most recent non-beta version.

Everything seems to be working away fine, I have an issue with the CPU fan. The CPU fan I am using is the stock one which comes with the CPU, wraith stealth.

My case fans are running around 900rpm and are as good as silent. The CPU fan is running between 2300-3000 rpm, while at this rpm it is very nosiey, to me it is too loud and I feel like there is an issue. Also the rpm keeps following a patterns, ramps up, runs at full speed, rams down runs at 2300rpm and then repeats, the while cycle might take 30 seconds.

CPU Max temperature is 62 degrees Celsius, one or two applications opened and downloading some games.

Any ideas, is it an issue with the bios, fan, mounting, thermal paste?

Help very much appreciated. Thanks.

Cooler running · 19 Sep 2019 at 23:01

The easiest to check would be fan curve in your bios. In almost all bios setups on Ryzen 3000 boards you can set the fan curve for individual fans, you might find the CPU one is setup in an odd way.
It could also be the case that your CPU fan header is plugged into the wrong 4 pin. I remember historically that I plugged it into the pump header once which produced some strange results.

Paste and mounting is usually a simple unceremonious affair, so I doubt that is the issue. Usually a poorly mounted cooler would cause more significant issues than 62 C. It doesn't cost much to try again though it you're concerned.

My advice would be to set a different smoother fan curve possibly higher overall at lower temps so you don't get spikes of noise. If the fan curve on your motherboard is bad it might look more like a cliff edge than a smooth hill. If you're still having issues, and can't stand it, then invest in a £30~ cooler. Unfortunately the 3600x is the worst offender in the Ryzen line-up for coming with an underpowered box cooler.

an0nym0us · 19 Sep 2019 at 23:49

lynch006 said:
Operating system is window 10 pro and bios update to the most recent non-beta version.

You've updated to BIOS version 7C02v33 released 18/9/2019?

Probably worthwhile updating to latest chipset drivers too:
https://www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets/amd-socket-am4/b450
I linked directly to the AMD vanilla drivers as the MSI version looks outdated and also bloated with something else.

lynch006 said:
Build is Ryzen 5 3600x cpu

lynch006 said:
The CPU fan I am using is the stock one which comes with the CPU, wraith stealth.

The Ryzen 5 3600X comes with the Wraith Spire bundled in the box. Unfortunately this is a new revised (cheaper) version of the Wraith Spire with no copper core and higher RPM fan compared with those bundled with 1st/2nd gen Ryzen CPUs, so it's noisier than the previous version. Eventually, the solution might just have to be getting a decent after-market cooler.

As suggested above, adjusting the fan curve settings in BIOS might also help. You can normally also adjust the interval at which each fan header polls temperatures, so if you increase the interval it might react less to very brief CPU usage spikes.

an0nym0us · 20 Sep 2019 at 00:05

an0nym0us said:
You can normally also adjust the interval at which each fan header polls temperatures, so if you increase the interval it might react less to very brief CPU usage spikes.

I think it should be the fan step up / step down times:

doyll · 20 Sep 2019 at 12:11

lynch006 said:
Hi all,

Recently built a pc. Build is Ryzen 5 3600x cpu, Corsair 2x8gb ram, gigabyte rx 5700 xt OC GPU, Corsair m.2 memory, msi tomahawk Max MOBO. Operating system is window 10 pro and bios update to the most recent non-beta version.

Everything seems to be working away fine, I have an issue with the CPU fan. The CPU fan I am using is the stock one which comes with the CPU, wraith stealth.

My case fans are running around 900rpm and are as good as silent. The CPU fan is running between 2300-3000 rpm, while at this rpm it is very nosiey, to me it is too loud and I feel like there is an issue. Also the rpm keeps following a patterns, ramps up, runs at full speed, rams down runs at 2300rpm and then repeats, the while cycle might take 30 seconds.

CPU Max temperature is 62 degrees Celsius, one or two applications opened and downloading some games.

Any ideas, is it an issue with the bios, fan, mounting, thermal paste?

Help very much appreciated. Thanks.

What an0nym0us said.

I don't know what the throttle temp is for 3600X Some AMD start throttling at 68c (2990wx), others are 85c (2700x) and 95c (2900X). What case and case fans do you have? I ask because many (most) cases either don't have enough intake fans or their fans have too low pressure rating to move enough air to keep components cool .. and for each degree warmer the air going into cooler is means same degrees hotter CPU will be. If your room is 22c and the air into cooler is 32c we can probably setup your case airflow to lower the air temp into cooler to about 25c .. thus lowering your CPU temp by 7c. I suggest removing all PCIe back slot covers to increase rear vent area around GPU and thus improve front to back airflow aroun GPU and lower air temp into GPU and also CPU coolers. Once I know what case & case fans you have I can make more suggestions.

You might find link below to how airflow works, how to optimize case airflow and how tomake a low-cost remote sensor thermometer to monitor airflow temp into coolers of interest.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...-i-put-my-temp-sensor.18564223/#post-26159770

Psycho Sonny · 20 Sep 2019 at 14:39

an0nym0us said:
You've updated to BIOS version 7C02v33 released 18/9/2019?

Probably worthwhile updating to latest chipset drivers too:
https://www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets/amd-socket-am4/b450
I linked directly to the AMD vanilla drivers as the MSI version looks outdated and also bloated with something else.

The Ryzen 5 3600X comes with the Wraith Spire bundled in the box. Unfortunately this is a new revised (cheaper) version of the Wraith Spire with no copper core and higher RPM fan compared with those bundled with 1st/2nd gen Ryzen CPUs, so it's noisier than the previous version. Eventually, the solution might just have to be getting a decent after-market cooler.

As suggested above, adjusting the fan curve settings in BIOS might also help. You can normally also adjust the interval at which each fan header polls temperatures, so if you increase the interval it might react less to very brief CPU usage spikes.

i have a first gen 1600x cooler is that better than the third gen 3600x cooler?

an0nym0us · 20 Sep 2019 at 15:33

Psycho Sonny said:
i have a first gen 1600x cooler is that better than the third gen 3600x cooler?

I thought the R5 1600X didn't have any cooler bundled with it. Sure it wasn't the R5 1600 (non-X version)? The R5 1600 came with the original Wraith Spire cooler, which is quieter and also has the same cooling performance as the newer version of the Wraith Spire.

Psycho Sonny · 20 Sep 2019 at 15:36

an0nym0us said:
I thought the R5 1600X didn't have any cooler bundled with it. Sure it wasn't the R5 1600 (non-X version)? The R5 1600 came with the original Wraith Spire cooler, which is quieter and also has the same cooling performance as the newer version of the Wraith Spire.

must be a ryzen 1700 cooler then, what do you think of that vs the newer 3600X cooler?

an0nym0us · 20 Sep 2019 at 15:44

Psycho Sonny said:
must be a ryzen 1700 cooler then, what do you think of that vs the newer 3600X cooler?

R7 1700 came with the original Wraith Spire too. That'll be quieter than the one that comes with the R5 3600X, but same cooling performance.

Here's a video that talks about the differences:

The one with the copper vapour chamber is the original and better version.

Psycho Sonny · 20 Sep 2019 at 15:55

i have a copper one and the one on the left too

i've just bought an Alpenfohn Brocken 2 PCGH Edition Dual Fan CPU Cooler - 140 mm though.

so i'll keep the copper one as a backup. i'm going to sell the new one with my old 1700x.

an0nym0us · 20 Sep 2019 at 16:08

Psycho Sonny said:
i've just bought an Alpenfohn Brocken 2 PCGH Edition Dual Fan CPU Cooler - 140 mm though.

Great value for money that cooler.

Did you get the Alpenfohn AM4 Mounting Kit for Brocken Coolers too?

Psycho Sonny · 20 Sep 2019 at 16:15

an0nym0us said:
Great value for money that cooler.

Did you get the Alpenfohn AM4 Mounting Kit for Brocken Coolers too?

yeah I did.

the backplate is glued on though on my motherboard.

do i just use a hairdryer and yank it off with a screwdriver? i tried by hand and no hairdryer and it's glued on pretty solid.

an0nym0us · 20 Sep 2019 at 17:01

Psycho Sonny said:
yeah I did.

the backplate is glued on though on my motherboard.

do i just use a hairdryer and yank it off with a screwdriver? i tried by hand and no hairdryer and it's glued on pretty solid.

Are you sure you need to remove the motherboard's backplate? Normally there's a space cut-out around the back of the CPU socket area that should allow plenty of access room for cooler mounting purposes.

Psycho Sonny · 20 Sep 2019 at 17:05

an0nym0us said:
Are you sure you need to remove the motherboard's backplate? Normally there's a space cut-out around the back of the CPU socket area that should allow plenty of access room for cooler mounting purposes.

yeah it's the cpu backplate. i removed it on my other ryzen system no problem.

i had 3 ryzen systems at one point to confuse things even further.

i had a 1700, 1600x and a 1700x.

i still have the 1700x now a 3600 and the 1600x now a 3600x.

this motherboard has the cpu backplate stuck on with glue and i was using stock coolers because of this. the others had third party coolers.

it's now time to get it off and get a third party cooler on. i'm worried about how hard it's caked on as i could snap the motherboard.

an0nym0us · 20 Sep 2019 at 17:10

Psycho Sonny said:
yeah it's the cpu backplate. i removed it on my other ryzen system no problem.

i had 3 ryzen systems at one point to confuse things even further.

i had a 1700, 1600x and a 1700x.

i still have the 1700x now a 3600 and the 1600x now a 3600x.

this motherboard has the cpu backplate stuck on with glue and i was using stock coolers because of this. the others had third party coolers.

it's now time to get it off and get a third party cooler on. i'm worried about how hard it's caked on as i could snap the motherboard.

Sorry, I've no experience with glued on CPU socket backplates. Never even knew they did this. Sounds ridiculous that they'd glue it on when nearly all the others use brackets and screws from the opposing side.

lynch006 · 5 Oct 2019 at 09:14

an0nym0us said:
You've updated to BIOS version 7C02v33 released 18/9/2019?

Probably worthwhile updating to latest chipset drivers too:
https://www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets/amd-socket-am4/b450
I linked directly to the AMD vanilla drivers as the MSI version looks outdated and also bloated with something else.

The Ryzen 5 3600X comes with the Wraith Spire bundled in the box. Unfortunately this is a new revised (cheaper) version of the Wraith Spire with no copper core and higher RPM fan compared with those bundled with 1st/2nd gen Ryzen CPUs, so it's noisier than the previous version. Eventually, the solution might just have to be getting a decent after-market cooler.

As suggested above, adjusting the fan curve settings in BIOS might also help. You can normally also adjust the interval at which each fan header polls temperatures, so if you increase the interval it might react less to very brief CPU usage spikes.

My brother had a spare fan cooler after upgrading to watercooled so I gave that a go. Its the cooler master hyper 212 evo and runs so much better. RPM is down around 800, noise has reduced drastically and CPU temperatures are low and more stable. I would not recommend the Wraith Spire to anyone.

lynch006 · 5 Oct 2019 at 09:21

doyll said:
What an0nym0us said.

I don't know what the throttle temp is for 3600X Some AMD start throttling at 68c (2990wx), others are 85c (2700x) and 95c (2900X). What case and case fans do you have? I ask because many (most) cases either don't have enough intake fans or their fans have too low pressure rating to move enough air to keep components cool .. and for each degree warmer the air going into cooler is means same degrees hotter CPU will be. If your room is 22c and the air into cooler is 32c we can probably setup your case airflow to lower the air temp into cooler to about 25c .. thus lowering your CPU temp by 7c. I suggest removing all PCIe back slot covers to increase rear vent area around GPU and thus improve front to back airflow aroun GPU and lower air temp into GPU and also CPU coolers. Once I know what case & case fans you have I can make more suggestions.

You might find link below to how airflow works, how to optimize case airflow and how tomake a low-cost remote sensor thermometer to monitor airflow temp into coolers of interest.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...-i-put-my-temp-sensor.18564223/#post-26159770

At the moment I have the fractal meshify C case, one fan on the inlet and one on the outlet which came as standard with the case. My plan is to move the fan on the front of the case to a spare fan slot on the rear top as an outlet and get a 3 fan water cooler for the front. This is instead of investing 3 fans to occupy the free fan spares to max air exchange, why not just get the 3 fans with the water cooler radiator. Yes might be a bit more expensive but should give the best result.

doyll · 5 Oct 2019 at 11:30

lynch006 said:
At the moment I have the fractal meshify C case, one fan on the inlet and one on the outlet which came as standard with the case. My plan is to move the fan on the front of the case to a spare fan slot on the rear top as an outlet and get a 3 fan water cooler for the front. This is instead of investing 3 fans to occupy the free fan spares to max air exchange, why not just get the 3 fans with the water cooler radiator. Yes might be a bit more expensive but should give the best result.

Honestly you only need a couple good 140mm front intake fans. The includedDynamic X2 GP-12 are almost worthless becuase they have such low pressure rating they can't pull air through case grill and filter unless they are runnng full speed. A couple Phanteks PH-F140MP (2-pack costs £16.26) mounted as front intakes is all the case fans you should need.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/two-...140mm-fan-radiator-performance-bu-003-pt.html

The science of airflow is fluid dynamics. Air flow the same as liquids do. Read the guide in link I gave you previously to get an idea of how it works. Trying to use top rear as intake will not work. It would just create a lot of turbulence and mixing of heated air with cool air.

As I already suggested, read the guide in link I gave you in my first reply to you to better understand how airflow works. And remove all PCIe back slot covers to improve rear vent area around GPU to improve front to back airflow around GPU and lower air temp to both CPU and GPU coolers and you should be fine.

Water cooling even if spending £200-400+ on component system is not going to cool any better or quieter than a good air cooling setup, is not as dependable, needs more maintenance and won't last as long as good air cooling.