Ryzen 9 5950x + RX 6800 XT + ????

[Vadersoul]

I am looking at a new build, reckon that between both CPU and GPU I will be looking to spend about £1,500 on those parts £800 for the cpu and projected £650 on the GPU , leaving me about 1-1.5k left (approx) to spend on the remaining. Willing to spend more but if I am going over 3k then there needs to be a good justification for it.

Looking for the best of the best for this time around rather than just a top range and if I do it right, future proof myself as best I can for a good 5+ years. I also am keen to look at potentially upgrading from a 1440p 144hz to a 4K 144hz+ display (not factored into this budget right now) and having a machine capable of handling that is very interesting to me.


Obviously these parts are not out yet, however I want to get myself ready to move ahead when they are. Not keen on backordering so just waiting for them both to become freely available without constraint is fine.


Just keen to figure out what recommendations for mobo, ram, m.2 vs ssd, cooling, psu, case etc anyone might have or if this kind of planning would need to wait until release?


Also, for the first time I am open to having someone build it for me, I enjoy the PC build side of things but considering the expense I am going for, it would be worth considering getting a professional to do it right.

What can I expect to pay for a system build? And, what do you do where the system builder is cost effective on some parts but not all. Can you have the parts ordered elsewhere and shipped to them to assemble or are you pinned to using them and in some cases having your build cost rise through not being able to shop around?

thanks for any advice

 

[EsaT]

It's doubtfull games can use 16 cores before CPU is anyway clearly outdated.
12 core would be more sensible choise.
Heck, Intel's "next gen" will be back to 8 cores!

Neither there will be future proofing in GPUs now that competition will be picking up again.

Sound reproduction is only part of gaming PC where things won't get outdated.


Also if wanting fully assembled PC you have to take all parts from same place instead of picking them up basing on price or getting alternative parts.

 

[Vadersoul]

It's doubtfull games can use 16 cores before CPU is anyway clearly outdated.

I heard a little about that, where the 5800x may perform just as well because the CPU cores are overkill and the TDP for the 5800x comes out better.

However the benches look good and seem to offer a little uptick in performance by comparison, even if the cost per frame is significantly less worthwhile.

12 core would be more sensible choise.
Heck, Intel's "next gen" will be back to 8 cores!

Neither there will be future proofing in GPUs now that competition will be picking up again.

Sound reproduction is only part of gaming PC where things won't get outdated.


Also if wanting fully assembled PC you have to take all parts from same place instead of picking them up basing on price or getting alternative parts.

thanks for the info As suspected with assembly. I love OC for so many things but when they don’t always compare well on price it can be a challenge.


Overall though, I get that more cores for gaming is not always more good, and that the difference between base and boost clock is only a little, compared to say the 5800x and from an Overclocking perspective, with good cooling I may not see the difference.

I guess getting some more time with reviews and comparison benchmarks would be good, since it would help to see more comparisons between 5800x and 5950

Also, we don’t yet know what the cpu link technology paired to the Big Navi gpus will do. It could turn this conversation on its head if the 5950x cleans the clock when paired to them.

 

[EsaT]

I heard a little about that, where the 5800x may perform just as well because the CPU cores are overkill and the TDP for the 5800x comes out better.



I guess getting some more time with reviews and comparison benchmarks would be good, since it would help to see more comparisons between 5800x and 5950

TDP doesn't matter as much as how focused heat production is.
And single CCD CPU has all those cores in one tiny ~80 mm2 piece of silicon.
Two chiplet models have that heat output spread on double the area making it easier to conduct away.

And there's zero need for 5950X.
It's 5900X where two chiplets come into play, with overall doubled amount of L3 cache and actually 33% more of L3 per core.
Those extra cores over 8 also help with background tasks when games start to expect 8 cores for themselves.
(or 7 cores like games have exclusively for them in new consoles)

 

[Vadersoul]

TDP doesn't matter as much as how focused heat production is.
And single CCD CPU has all those cores in one tiny ~80 mm2 piece of silicon.
Two chiplet models have that heat output spread on double the area making it easier to conduct away.

And there's zero need for 5950X.
It's 5900X where two chiplets come into play, with overall doubled amount of L3 cache and actually 33% more of L3 per core.
Those extra cores over 8 also help with background tasks when games start to expect 8 cores for themselves.
(or 7 cores like games have exclusively for them in new consoles)

So would you estimate that the performance boost you get from this new cpu - GPU pairing on Zen architecture to change anything from worth justifying getting a 5900/5950 vs a 5800 for a pure gaming system?

 

[adrichardson81]

Have you had any thoughts about case style? Once you've locked that down, you can decide on cooler (an aio is a very safe starting point) and mobo (you could go matx or itx if you evr a smaller case).

That leaves:

PSU - I'd suggest at least 850w, Super Flower or Seasonic are my go to brands currently.

M.2 - I suggest 1 for your OS and 1 for games. Any Phison e16 based drive is a good shout right now for the money. I'd suggest a 1tb for the os and a 2tb for games.

Sound - not sure if this is a priority. Depending on how good you want, I'd strongly recommend a usb dac. I'm using a Topping DX3 Pro as it's fairly affordable and punches well above its weight.

GPU - wait for reviews of the new AMD gpus. If you're after 60fps+ at 4k, the 6900 xt could be the one to watch.

 

[Vadersoul]

Case style is not a big concern. Can go large or small, have room for either so if I need a bigger case to suit a better cooler, all up for that.

Not technically capable of a custom loop and certain air coolers perform better than AIO so just a beefy competent cooler is good for me

storage is a query for me.
I have a lot of games, and am a fan of putting as many of them on install as I can and can soak up a good 8TB easy.

My view is that I either want them all on ssd (or equivalent) rather than HDD or none of them.

so my thought is an m.2 for o/a and then good speed ssd for about 10TB size. Hefty, I get it and expensive but the alternative is 10TB of hdd instead just on cost basis.

 

[EsaT]

So would you estimate that the performance boost you get from this new cpu - GPU pairing on Zen architecture to change anything from worth justifying getting a 5900/5950 vs a 5800 for a pure gaming system?

Zen3 CPU model has no effect to RDNA2 card Smart Access Memory functionality.
But unlike 12 cores 8 cores is certainly tight looking many years into future.
At least unless you like closing down everything from background.
Rember that new consoles give game developers 7 cores exclusively for the game without needing to contest with all the background bloat/crapware of Wintoys PC.

 

[EsaT]

M.2 - I suggest 1 for your OS and 1 for games. Any Phison e16 based drive is a good shout right now for the money. I'd suggest a 1tb for the os and a 2tb for games.

Zero sense to waste limited M.2 slots.
Partitioning is for keeping OS separate from rest in case of needing to do fresh install.

And PCIe v4 NVMes are new product overpriced per capacity.
It's Phison E12 which has better priced drives.
Though SMI2262 base Adata SX8200 Pro/Gammix S11 Pro is still better priced.

 

[EsaT]

storage is a query for me.
I have a lot of games, and am a fan of putting as many of them on install as I can and can soak up a good 8TB easy.

My view is that I either want them all on ssd (or equivalent) rather than HDD or none of them.

so my thought is an m.2 for o/a and then good speed ssd for about 10TB size. Hefty, I get it and expensive but the alternative is 10TB of hdd instead just on cost basis.

For less often played games SSD caching would be alternative for needing expensive SSD sapce for everything.

In that first load of the game/map happens at speed of HDD, but that data is copied to SSD and next load of those assets happens transparently from it with full SSD speed...
Needing to load only non-cached data from HDD for also those to be cached on SSD.

That continues until chosen size cache becomes full, when the least used/longest time ago needed data is "evicted" to make room for newest data.

 

[Vadersoul]

Zen3 CPU model has no effect to RDNA2 card Smart Access Memory functionality.
But unlike 12 cores 8 cores is certainly tight looking many years into future.
At least unless you like closing down everything from background.
Rember that new consoles give game developers 7 cores exclusively for the game without needing to contest with all the background bloat/crapware of Wintoys PC.

so if I am looking at a 4-5 year rebuild cycle, you reckon that putting a 12 core build is forward thinking enough to cover that rather than going higher. At least for gaming

right?

 

[EsaT]

12 cores is definitely enough for gaming for as long as per core speed stays good.
4-5 years from now AMD has had multiple architecture changes, even if Intel keeps stagnating and stumbling.
At least as long as Lisa Su stays in helm AMD is certain to keep pushing forward at steady pace to minimize risk of Intel getting upper hand again.