Samsung SyncMaster 215TW vs NEC MultiSync® LCD20WGX2

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hi baddass

i just read the reviews again and it said if you want colour correction dont get the nec, they are complmenting it and killing it at the same time.

they realy realy dont like the glossy :)
 
ATI said:
hi baddass

i just read the reviews again and it said if you want colour correction dont get the nec, they are complmenting it and killing it at the same time.

they realy realy dont like the glossy :)

i think the general consensus seems to be that the Opticlear coating helps with colour vividness, and really helps bring out nice colours. However, the actual accuracy of those colours is affected somewhat due to varying lighting conditions and the use of the OptiClear coating. This should only really bother really fussy pro graphics users though, and most users should find the colour on the NEC very good indeed
 
hi baddass

thanks for that, i want this monitor but i keep hearing issues about the bleeding and noises and dead pixels for that price you kinda expect a good monitor.

thanks
 
ChoÞÞer said:
nec for the win.. but.. whats going on with the buttons?? :confused:


:rolleyes:

How so? No HDCP support, no height adjustment and an inch smaller than the Sammy. Have to say I own the Sammy but I have seen the NEC in action. Its a very close race visually and because I dont like that shiny nonsense I went with the Sammy.

Its not NEC "for the win". I think you'll be happy either way but try to see them in action before you buy so you can make a more informed decision.

S :)
 
Sharkypal said:
:rolleyes:

How so? No HDCP support, no height adjustment and an inch smaller than the Sammy. Have to say I own the Sammy but I have seen the NEC in action. Its a very close race visually and because I dont like that shiny nonsense I went with the Sammy.
Well ... that's the thing. For some people, HDCP support is maybe shiny nonsense , height adjustment is not important and one inch doesn't matter. Sometimes, it's really just personal preference and many aspects are involved and sometimes those aspects are defining that last bit before finalising the purchase. This is the reason why is important that we know what people are expecting from their screens, primary usage and what is important for them and what is not.

Sharkypal said:
Its not NEC "for the win". I think you'll be happy either way but try to see them in action before you buy so you can make a more informed decision.S :)
Honest recommendation. Unfortunately, problem is that usually people don't have the place (shop) where they can see the monitors in action. They will be probably happy with any option, but sometimes they are "edging" to the specific option mostly because of the reasons from above. This is also the reason why is difficult to answer the question how does one monitor compare to another (as in the thread subject). Reviews are good thing for the general guideline, but I would take them with a pinch of salt.

Out of the content, why you were not happy with the OptiClear ? Any specific reason ? It would be interesting to hear the negative comments too ... as so far general consensus from the users around is that it's improving the picture depth, colour vibrancy, removing any screen door effect (and grainy factor of the usual LCD panels surface coating) so that it looks like there is no barrier between the user and liquid crystal and you just see the image and no LCD surface. Also, it was reported many times that because of such matters, its more immersive for the video and games too.

Also, how do you find gaming with the Samsung ? Some users reported that it's not on the fastest side and some reviews are also not recommending this panel for the gaming enthusiast.
 
igors said:
Well ... that's the thing. For some people, HDCP support is maybe shiny nonsense , height adjustment is not important and one inch doesn't matter. Sometimes, it's really just personal preference and many aspects are involved and sometimes those aspects are defining that last bit before finalising the purchase. This is the reason why is important that we know what people are expecting from their screens, primary usage and what is important for them and what is not.

Honest recommendation. Unfortunately, problem is that usually people don't have the place (shop) where they can see the monitors in action. They will be probably happy with any option, but sometimes they are "edging" to the specific option mostly because of the reasons from above. This is also the reason why is difficult to answer the question how does one monitor compare to another (as in the thread subject). Reviews are good thing for the general guideline, but I would take them with a pinch of salt.

Out of the content, why you were not happy with the OptiClear ? Any specific reason ? It would be interesting to hear the negative comments too ... as so far general consensus from the users around is that it's improving the picture depth, colour vibrancy, removing any screen door effect (and grainy factor of the usual LCD panels surface coating) so that it looks like there is no barrier between the user and liquid crystal and you just see the image and no LCD surface. Also, it was reported many times that because of such matters, its more immersive for the video and games too.

Also, how do you find gaming with the Samsung ? Some users reported that it's not on the fastest side and some reviews are also not recommending this panel for the gaming enthusiast.

Well, I spend my life gaming (sad I know). I would definitely say 100++ hours a week (and usually more). I play pretty much everything. My games "du jour" are EQ2, LOMAC, GRAW (Online), PRMM (BF2 Realism mod) and Hitman : Blood Money. I have yet to experience any kind of "ghosting" or "lag" or any manifestation of "non responsive" behaviour.

If I played Civ 4 for for 2 hours a week than my recommendation would be worth very little. As it stands I am an avid gamer and a hardcore movie nut. I dont always watch movies on my 215tw, but I have done and they look A1.

You say that the height adjustment, HDCP support and the size difference arent really important? I dont really agree with you. Especially on the size. It does actually make a difference. Why dont I like the coating? Because it is very reflective and I just dont dig that at all. NEC buttons are ugly as well (Subjective of course).

As I clearly stated above, I dont think there is much in it as far as IQ goes between these 2 monitors. I think the Sammy looks better aesthetically and overall has a better feature set. I dont know why some people have had problems with it, I can only put that down to bad hardware/setup because I wouldnt waste my time telling you its the best PC monitor I've ever owned if it wasn't the truth.

If it had all these problems it supposedly has it would have been back to OcUK on the Parcelforce truck the very next day. As I said, I game and I have invested a large amount of money on this PC. The end product of all that hardware is displayed on my monitor and you better believe I won't settle for anything less than perfection (or as close as I can get).

S
 
Ive now got two 215s on their way £810 shipped based on some of the user comments that have been posted.

Reasons for choosing against other 20" widescreens:
Compared Asus / Nec

Winning Decisions:

Good viewing angles
Inputs (particulary component)
HDCP = futureproofing
Adjustable and Portrait
Non glossy frame / finish

Wasnt fussed on the look tbh, they should have released it as a P series to really make it look great but suppose it isnt the worst looking monitor neither.

Heres hoping im gonna be satisifed...
 
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What scaling options does the samsung have and how is the twinkling effect in movies?

I'm considering one of these to go alongside my NEC for movie and component console connection and would liek to know how it performs for those 2.
 
One of my uses is for the component also, (Gamecube/Xbox/X360) tbh normal consoles and DVD players might suffer a little due to the scaling invloved. These will look a lot worse if not using progressive scan via component.

Reports ive read concerning video quality are that the screens average with standard video DVD yet excellent to really nice with HD quality sources and it has the benifit of much better viewing angles than some of the other panels.
 
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I would be using:

360 via VGA (twinkling is very important here, any comments) @ 720p (also some sites state the monitor only accepts 480p signals and that it can't properly scale 16:9 and forces 16:10, much like how the NEC doesn't put borders at the top and bottom on the 360)

movies via PC DVI (twinkling is again very important)

Nintendo Wii @ 480p on the component.

Any comments on those?
 
Mine prob wont arrive for a day or two...
Id think 360 via component would be best.

Yes these are 16:10 they will scale/stretch to fullscreen so therefore not keeping OAR of the games/movies, unless there is a cropped mode within the menus?

Ive plenty of HD movies i can test, DVDs too but really if your after quality TV/Movie playback your looking in the wrong place, i mean this for all monitors because an HDTV will have all the additional picture processing that monitors dont. HDTV will also be more suited having a proper 16x9 panel with usually a common better suited 1366x768 resolution.

However these are a good dual purpose solution, giving a resolution thats great for general desktop and quality PC gaming, you have to compromise.
 
well all I'm after is as little twinkling as possible. The scaling issues don't bother me and I'm happy to compromise with most things bar twinkling :(

I look forward to your comments. Thanks for your help :)
 
Mr Latte said:
im curious if twinkling is also attributed depending on the4 pc software decoding/scaling the video?

Would different software vary the results?
No. On my NEC it happens on VGA XBox 360 games where there are large blocks of colours. It also happpens on all ways I have tried of playing videos on my PC via DVI.

It happens on all LCD monitors I have ever seen but it varies depending on the panel type and setup the manufacturers use. Generally faster panels have worse twinkling.
 
Well i can give some comments and possibly help with some questions regarding this display. Its already been praised on these forums but some personal thoughts....

First thing to notice is that 21" in WS is a lovelly size to work with and considering the price difference to 23-24" models its well placed in the market.
I choose this model because of its additional input connections, being HDCP compliant and it has a higher resolution,portraits for general PC use which an HDTV wouldnt do. Its worth pointing out that i was after a dual purpose allround display rather than one that excelled in games.

Brillant White
The reported 1000:1 contrast is very evident, things are really clear, testing has only been done with VGA cables so id imagine DVI to be a little sharper. Colours are of a very high standard and although calibration hasnt been done from experience i can state the only weakness in colour is possibly some over saturation (reds) of course calibrating would alter this to the users taste and reducing the contrast for an easier on the eye setting.

Gaming
Is very nice on the screen with very minimal ghosting, i reckon yes the NEC and others may have even less lag but the Samsung has many strenghts/benifits for its slight drop in performance in this area, only the hardest hardcore gamers would not be pleased with it in gaming aspects.

Component Input
Firstly i wouldnt even consider using S-Video or the dreadfull composite connections. Component / Progressive Scan is the only way you will get anywhere close to obtaining satisfactory results from a console or external DVD player.

X360 usage / via component
I tried the X360 in 480p mode and it worked fine, changing to 720p did improve things a lot but you still can see the drop of sharpness coming from the scaling, consider it like a mild transparent smearing. Overall its very usable, and once again the evidence of the colour brillance on this monitor is clear, console games can look very cartoony with bold rich colouring. I dont use such small screens for viewing movies and although i tried several trailers/videos from the X360 these looked pretty good for a monitor and didnt show any major twinkling with 720p. Lower resolutions and higher compressed video formats scaled to fullscreen will perhaps show it more.

You can use the PIP mode and select a corner but also have PAP with the screen 1/2 & 1/2. Using the X360VGA cable may help but id doubt their would be much difference however would like to hear from anyone that may have tested both.

Weaknesses / Comments
The panel has a slight X visible on black backgrounds (xp loading screen)
This is the slight lamp leakage from the panel but its amongst the best ive seen in the past, although visible it certainly doesnt suffer badly from it.

Loss of contrast in any given area isnt a problem as the monitor shows an even spread across the whole panel, no screen dimming here folks. Viewing angles are also very good, both in portrait and landscape modes, something thats very noticable on some TN panels is their lack of vertical veiwing.

Portrait is very usefull for photos and surfing, heck WS monitors aint great with their vertical shallowness but to give an idea on surfing, the main forums page, its possible to read all the way down to "Games" when viewing in F11 using a standard "Int Explorer" browser.

Finally the shock i found was that the monitor actually looks a lot better than it does from photos, ok its still no ASUS in sheer glamour but would look fine on most peoples desks.

All in for £400 i cant complain

PS zero dead pixles on both displays.
 
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