Sanctions to hit part time workers

~Divine~Wind~ said:
So your waiting for them to be forced to work more for you? bit harsh
Surely if they're part time then 5/10 hours could be a considerable increase in working hours to them? Typically part time is what 15-20 hours a week?
So thats what a 25-50% increase in work.
What's their contracts state about additional hours?

Can't you offer them a better pay/package?
just explain it's now at the point where it's counter productive to the business and more work hours are needed, if this involves taking on full time members of staff then you may be forced to make redundancies?
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and couldn't he just hire some more part time staff? if he wants a couple of his staff to do 10 hours more each then surely he could just hire another part timer for 20 hours, problem solved, unless he wants the extra work for free.
 
robgmun said:
1. Yes

2. I live in zone 4 for i don't pay 100's to get into the centre of London to work, I pay £170 a month. or £1800 per year (saving me a further £20 per month) But most shops aren't in Centre London. They're all over the capital and for most people that work in shops it's a bus ride to the nearest shopping complex.

3. The government isn't pushing for a living wage, they are against it, and i agree with them. Personally i think wages are where they should be. You want more money? Get through uni, get skilled, and get a decent job.
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So from that statement can I take it London unemployed couldn't realistically chase a minimum wage shop job in the centre of London?

Would you consider it acceptable to sanction a person for not being able to afford to apply for such a job? bear in mind jobcentre staff wouldn't consider your explanation as reasonable.
 
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MadMossy said:
This is something that I have experienced recently myself.

I work full time at the moment, doing 33+ hours a week at £6.73/hour doing a job that warrant's much more because of its physical strength requirement (lots of heavy lifting).

My girlfriend recently moved in with me, she is unemployed and unable to work due to her health, she gets DLA and prior to moving in with me was getting £700 a month in benefits.

Now I take home around £200 a week, I also claimed working tax credits which topped that up to around £240 a week and housing benefit of £17 a week, putting me at just shy of £260 a week. My rent and bills come to approx £670/month more than half of my income, this is the cheapest I can get in the area living on my own, I could chose to go into a bedsit or rent a room, but at 34 the last thing I want to be clearing up after messy house mates specially after working a 10 hour shift and getting home at 11pm.

Anyway with my girlfriend now moving in she has lost her benefits due to my "income" which can barely sustain myself, she still gets her DLA but that is it. My working tax credits have gone up slightly as well as my housing benefit but it is still a fraction of what we were getting before living separately, but i wouldn't be coming home knackered every night either.

And the really amusing thing about this all, if I stopped working completely and just scrounged off the government my income would actually be only £30 a week worse off than I do working currently.
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If you're in receipt of housing benefit, council tax benefit, working tax credits then you will as I understand it fall into the, get more work, or a better paid job or risk losing that extra you currently get help with. It just isn't right that working people who need help because of low pay is punished, we need a proper living wage.
 
Dolph said:
So working tax credits, in the worst case scenario, no children, over 25, working 30 hours a week has a cut off point of 17900 per annum in income, so being entitled to this doesn't mean you are likely to be subject to work requirements.

The other benefits you cited are similar, this was why we had a discussion about scaremongering in the other thread, providing inaccurate information isn't helpful to anyone.
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I haven't provided inaccurate information, I linked what the DWP announced in my first post. As for in the other thread I warned that part time workers were going to be effected under Universal credits, a part time working forum member then got a little upset with me for saying this to which you replied "that's just his way" or something along those lines, I couldn't link to evidence of this at the time because no official announcements had been made but I 've now been proven correct. WE KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.
 
Corrected..

If you're in receipt of housing benefit, council tax benefit, working tax credits and earn less than the full time min wage then you will as I understand it fall into the, get more work, or a better paid job or risk losing that extra you currently get help with. It just isn't right that working people who need help because of low pay is punished, we need a proper living wage.

I apologise to the member if he felt my post was misleading. here's the link from my first post.

http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/dwp-housing-benefit-will-be-sanctioned/7002330.article

http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2014/02/27/part-time-workers-to-face-housing-benefit-sanctions/

Hope this satisfies Mr Dolph
 
MadMossy said:
If it were that easy I wouldn't be doing what I am doing now. I am constantly on the look out for something better, I ask almost weekly for more hours at work and other than the few pence increases a year from NMW increases that's about it.

I even spent a grand last year trying to better my prospects by paying for a Class 2 truck license, but as it turned out pay is no better and the hours are worse. Thank's to the hundreds of thousands of immigrants entering the country and willing to work for NMW. Which as it so happens is significantly more than they can earn in their own country.
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Agreed, the NMW is a joke, even the proposed increase just isn't enough. Rents have soared to dizzying heights with the greedy rich landlords cashing in on housing benefit. I fear for our future and those who will be punished if they can't find full time work or secure enough hours to stop the vile Government from punishing them, disgraceful.
 
Dolph said:
It is much better. However, the argument for a living wage when discussing part time work is surely flawed as the living wage is calculated on a full time basis...
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And if a living wage was paid we wouldn't have to subsidise employers wage bills we would then be in a better position to help those part time workers who can't find full time work or only work part time due to other commitments such as caring responsibilities without resorting to punishments.
 
MadMossy said:
The difference there though is that one rich person could be avoiding millions in tax, but it would take hundreds or even thousands of poor people of equal the same figure.

The easier option is to go after the minority and not the majority.

Back on topic though, the divide between the have's and have not's is getting bigger and bigger each year and there will come a time when those at the bottom will get sick of those on top controlling everything.
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Those at the bottom are at breaking point, the pigs at the top are sensing this and are ******* themselves at the thought they may have to give a little more up, that's why they are desperately fighting to keep control and their wealth. But we are the many gathering in strength, enough is enough. ;)
 
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spankingtexan said:
Interesting read here..
Private Haringey landlords receive £10.7million from the taxpayer

http://www.hamhighbroadway.co.uk/ne...ceive_10_7million_from_the_taxpayer_1_3370830

and here..
Richest MP in Britain slams welfare state but makes £625k a year in housing benefit

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/richest-mp-britain-slams-welfare-3178089
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Now Richard Benyon wants to silence the press :D

Britain's richest MP wants to gag press and prevent stories which might embarrass politicians.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/richard-benyon-britians-richest-mp-3204549#.UxWMbZPe8XI.twitter
 
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