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sandybridge vs ivybridge
- Thread starter TiDDEH
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No that's not what I said.
Soldato
Ollie is helping make my decision easier I think, and swaying me towards IB. Keep going 
Ollie is helping make my decision easier I think, and swaying me towards IB. Keep going
lol. xD
Soldato
IB user that likes to keep temp in check = 4.2-4.4GHz over clock
SB user who likes to keep temp in check = 4.6-5.0GHz over clock
Remember it's not even hot weather yet, what will happen in summer time, IB user down clocks to keep temp in check?
Who cares for IGPU? not many gamers that's for sure.
If you can save some money go SB, if you don't care to save any money then get IB but it's well known to run hot and I imagine come summer there will be a few down clocking.
SB user who likes to keep temp in check = 4.6-5.0GHz over clock
Remember it's not even hot weather yet, what will happen in summer time, IB user down clocks to keep temp in check?
Who cares for IGPU? not many gamers that's for sure.
If you can save some money go SB, if you don't care to save any money then get IB but it's well known to run hot and I imagine come summer there will be a few down clocking.
Soldato
haha, at least you should be fine, you got that heat sink sorted yet?
I'll be honest, I don't think you have done anything wrong with your heat sink, it's just IB runs hot hot hot
Lol I used way too little TIM if Im honest ^.^ it'll be sorted on tuesday I do believe bought new TIM and got to get some stuff to remove the old stuff with also bumped my cooler a few times probably broke the TIM seal. Have a feeling a reseat with a proper amount of TIM should drop my temps by up to 5C which is more than enough to take my prime95 temps to something I can live with 
also bumped my cooler a few times probably broke the TIM seal. Have a feeling a reseat with a proper amount of TIM should drop my temps by up to 5C which is more than enough to take my prime95 temps to something I can live with
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Good grief, what a bunch of childish, petty bickering about something so unimportant as which cpu the chap should buy.
As I said, if you want to overclock a lot, Sandybridge is the way to go, if you are happy with a more moderate overclock or you don't plan to at all, then Ivybridge makes more sense now, for the sake of 20 quid I think so anyway. I don't consider £20 to be a large enough amount of money to warrant doing otherwise ...if you do however, then go with Sandybridge. I have little vested interest in arguing either way, I use an I5 750 myself. I am just giving an honest and un-coloured opinion on which way the chap should go.
It really depends on how much you value that £20 relative to the benefits that Ivy does offer, which is basically a few % more performance clock for clock, lower power consumption, better memory controller, better integrated GPU and PCIe 3. Sandybridge meanwhile costs a small amount of money less and is a better overclocker, given the difference in performance between them clock for clock, you may vey well see a bit more performance out of Sandybridge if you get a good one.
That's about the size of it. How you value these points is up to you TiDDEH. Just bear in mind, that you wont see any benefit from Sandybridge in a performance sense unless you are going for a ...well I would say a 4.6GHz+ overclock ...most Ivy's can do 4.5 GHz from what I have seen, assuming a 4% performance advantage to Ivybridge, you are looking at basically needing 4.7Ghz+ to see a benefit from Sandybridge here.
No doubt it's actually not that clear cut if you plan to overclock, not like it has been in the past. If you don't plan to overclock or you're happy with a moderate one, I think it is clear cut, new technology is the more pragmatic choice I think. Due to the nature of OcUK as an enthusiast community, it's not surprising that Ivybridge comes under fire for not being a clear upgrade in every conceivable situation, but that situation really is a narrow enthusiast driven one, it hinges on overclocking really.
As I said, if you want to overclock a lot, Sandybridge is the way to go, if you are happy with a more moderate overclock or you don't plan to at all, then Ivybridge makes more sense now, for the sake of 20 quid I think so anyway. I don't consider £20 to be a large enough amount of money to warrant doing otherwise ...if you do however, then go with Sandybridge. I have little vested interest in arguing either way, I use an I5 750 myself. I am just giving an honest and un-coloured opinion on which way the chap should go.
It really depends on how much you value that £20 relative to the benefits that Ivy does offer, which is basically a few % more performance clock for clock, lower power consumption, better memory controller, better integrated GPU and PCIe 3. Sandybridge meanwhile costs a small amount of money less and is a better overclocker, given the difference in performance between them clock for clock, you may vey well see a bit more performance out of Sandybridge if you get a good one.
That's about the size of it. How you value these points is up to you TiDDEH. Just bear in mind, that you wont see any benefit from Sandybridge in a performance sense unless you are going for a ...well I would say a 4.6GHz+ overclock ...most Ivy's can do 4.5 GHz from what I have seen, assuming a 4% performance advantage to Ivybridge, you are looking at basically needing 4.7Ghz+ to see a benefit from Sandybridge here.
No doubt it's actually not that clear cut if you plan to overclock, not like it has been in the past. If you don't plan to overclock or you're happy with a moderate one, I think it is clear cut, new technology is the more pragmatic choice I think. Due to the nature of OcUK as an enthusiast community, it's not surprising that Ivybridge comes under fire for not being a clear upgrade in every conceivable situation, but that situation really is a narrow enthusiast driven one, it hinges on overclocking really.
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Good advice.
The other thing to ask yourself when deciding is "would I really notice the 3-5% increase in performance if I were to clock the IB at the same speed as the SB ?" And like you just mentioned "Will I really benefit from the IGPU being more powerful ?"
I'll say again, SB is cheaper (~ £30) and a Gelid Tranquillo will cost ~£25. Keeps my SB (4.6ghz) at much less than 70 degrees under load, and doesn't make a lot of noise, even flat out. I'll live with the possible 5% loss in performance and lack of PCIE 3.0. The £50 saving might be spent on a new case, or maybe towards a larger SSD.
Soldato
Bit of a hijack, but ive got a SB I2500K that is at 4.2GHz it does clock higher but i keep it at this fairly decent O.C. Now I have a Z77 mb and want to get another PC built using my old board and another CPU. I was looking at CPU upgrases and i can get a I7-2600K for around £30 less than the I7 3770K and an i5 3570K for around £50 less than the I7 2600K. Now I will be overclocking to at least the same as my old SB, the question is would the upgrade from I5 to I7 be worth it and in the same way would going from Ivy from Sandy bridge also be worth the upgrade? I have a corsair H60 with dual fans so cooling isnt to bad, mostly use the PC for Gaming so im not sure the HT in the i7s is actually going to help.
In a nutshell, no, it's not worth it. Going from Sandy to Ivy or ivy to Sandy, nor is it worth going for an I7 if all you really do is gaming and general desktop stuff.
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Ild go with a cheap second hand SB for now , as so many say , you know what your getting , though of course get an ivy z77 board , later in the year perhaps a better revised IB will come to market , which has resolved all the issues . Then sell the SB, Get that IB , and live happily ever after .
If you was to invest now in a current IB , and a few months down the line a better version comes out , reasoning would be more harder to upgrade between the two , compared to the reasoning too if you had an second hand SB , would make an incomplicated decision to upgrade ,
Perhaps you would lose a few tenners , but worth stomaching IMO
If you was to invest now in a current IB , and a few months down the line a better version comes out , reasoning would be more harder to upgrade between the two , compared to the reasoning too if you had an second hand SB , would make an incomplicated decision to upgrade ,
Perhaps you would lose a few tenners , but worth stomaching IMO
Soldato
IGPU's are very useful when your graphics card fails (like mine has) really don't see why anyone would buy old tech given the options of the new >.> the price difference isn't even that big a gap to bother with. If you have the money your going to spend it anyway. Why not gets what is new.
I am also without a graphics card at the moment, and the HD3000 is doing just fine. No, I wouldn't "game" with it, and neither would I with a HD4000 if I had chosen an IB.
I take your point about spending the money you have anyway, but I have limited funds, so I try to get the most for the £ that I spend. I decided that IB did not offer enough over SB for the extra it would have cost. No, there's not a lot in it, but I have saved ~£50, which I can spend elsewhere on my system if I choose. Had IB offered a 20% performance increase, and required the same type of cooling to as SB to achieve that increase, I'd now be an IB owner.
I'm not saying that SB is for everyone, and I can quite see the appeal of buying the "new tech". I just think that there's been too much "IB is the obvious choice" advice. As I say, IB would be the obvious choice if it offered a decent increase in performance over SB, but it appears (at the moment) that it does not. For someone with no intention of overclocking, I think I'd advise IB over SB, simply for the slightly lower power consumption and better IGPU performance (which a non-overclocker is more likely to use 24/7).
I get what your saying. I had no budget I spent all my student loan xD I generally back up why IB for none SB users is the one to go for
