Saudi Arabia A Threat?
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Not until the oil dries up.
why would I realise that? we are causing the problem by invading Muslim countries?
We should leave the Muslim countries alone (bit late now though) stop invading them give them 10% of the war budget in aid... saving billions of £ and 1000's of lives.
We are literally throwing fuel on the fire... we are not only aiding their cause we are also publicising it as widely as possible.
Or just leave them to destroy themselves.
I mean, which invasion do you specifically take issue with? Desert Storm was a result of Iraq invading Kuwait, Afghanistan was a result of the 9/11 attacks, I guess the 2003 invasion of Iraq was questionable, but Saddam Hussein literally committed genocide so his removal was a good thing in my opinion. Currently we're at war with ISIS who have committed atrocities all over the Middle East and Western Europe. ISIS weren't formed as a result of the West invading Iraq, though they were able to form as a condition of that, they were formed to create a Muslim caliphate in the Middle East and enforce strict Sharia law on all Muslims and non-believers. These are people who have burned and decapitated people alive. Maybe if we had a few less apologists and a few more people willing to stand up to them we wouldn't be in the position where they're converting people in our country which is resulting in terrorist attacks fairly regularly.
By that logic Ireland sided with Germany in WW2 and Wales attacked London last month >.>
Most of them are responses to responses to western aggression to be fair.
I.E:
Well yes but Iraq was ruled by a US backed dictator at the time who overestimated his value compared to Kuwait.
And was under the control of the Taliban/Al-Qaeda, a former US armed/trained/funded army.
Yeah, it turned out good for Iraq in the long run (well not yet, but maybe in a decade or two more).
ISIS started out as the remnants of the Iraqi military then became worse as anti-west civilians who had lost loved ones in the invasion/occupation joined, it's a direct result of the invasion of Iraq.
Just like the "moderate rebels" in Syria, who we are currently backing to overthrow the elected government >.>
The west has prostituted its ethics and views on morality for a number of years in pursuit of black gold, its the very definition of sleeping with the enemy.
In an ideal world the west should have nothing to do with the middle east, two civilizations with many of its values in contravention to each other...an impossible harmony.
Our reliance on their product though means that we wont and cant leave them alone
Saudi Arabia has always been a threat, and it should come as no surprise that they are funding extremism within our country.
In an ideal world the west should have nothing to do with the middle east, two civilizations with many of its values in contravention to each other...an impossible harmony.
Our reliance on their product though means that we wont and cant leave them alone
Saudi Arabia has always been a threat, and it should come as no surprise that they are funding extremism within our country.
Ok, but he invaded Kuwait illegally, after that he wasn't even removed.
It's irrelevant that they used to be funded by the US, Afghanistan was a training ground for terrorists who murdered 3,000 people.
Why do you get the impression the invasion of Iraq was supposed to be good for Iraq? They were being ruled by a leader who had committed genocide and used chemical weapons in the past, it was reasonable to think he may have chemical weapons even if it turned out he actually didn't. It wasn't ever supposed to be for the benefit of Iraq. Hind sight is 20/20, the mistake we made was the lack of planning for after the war.
Ok, but this doesn't excuse rampaging around the Middle East and committing terrorist attacks, we are rightly at war with these people. We put in place a democratically elected government in Iraq, we rebuilt their infrastructure, instead of building a new country they chose to form ISIS.
This elected government began murdering it's own people, if the UK started murdering everyone who voted Labour and protesting I would imagine you'd feel as though the government should probably be removed, and rightly so.
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Can someone please list the benefits or the popular exports of Saudi Arabia. I'm thinking actors, musicians, chefs, companies, comedians and the like.
Not Oil, we all know that one.....but what else
Not Oil, we all know that one.....but what else
Comedians like Osama Bin Laden.
He invaded Iran illegally too, we didn't care because he was our ally and they weren't. He got cocky in the 90's and figured he was of more use to the west than Kuwait. He wasn't but he was still of use hence being allowed to stay in power.
The two are directly linked, if the US hadn't backed them they wouldn't have been in control of Afghanistan or murdering anyone (in the west at least).
I don't, but that's how a lot of people attempt to excuse it, because other than the idea it was best for Iraq in the long long run there is nothing to justify it or classify it as anything less than another stupid mistake in the middle east.
Indeed, their actions are inexcusable.
That was a major mistake IMO, you cannot put in place a democratic governments, only puppets, and that's what we got. The problem was that they were idiots and didn't listen, banning anyone with a brain from holding any office of importance was one of their first acts and it completely crippled any chance to rebuild the country
After they took up arms against it, people who disliked the government saw rebellions in other countries kicking off against less moderate governments and assumed they could do the same and the west would back them immediately lol. The funny thing is if they had simply waited they could have just used the 2012 government elections and 2014 presidential election to try and replace the government/president, of course it wouldn't have worked because even if the Baath party lost it's slim majority it would be able to form a coalition as the Torys just did, and Assad is too popular among voters to be defeated at the ballot, but they could have tried and done it the right way instead of launching a rebellion.
Saudi Arabia is more of a catalyst to an already bigger problem and that is the Muslim faith and its inability to adapt to Western Culture.
We have had over 2 generations of Muslim integration within the UK and they are still the worst performing minority group within the UK. They are over represented in child sexual groom cases and a significant proportion of that community is married to a cousin.
There is something fundamentally wrong within the Islamic faith that needs to be corrected and changed. And as soon as we accept and realise that this is about the Islamic faith, the sooner we can start actually attempting to fix the problem, rather then watching our family members/friends being blown up.
We have had over 2 generations of Muslim integration within the UK and they are still the worst performing minority group within the UK. They are over represented in child sexual groom cases and a significant proportion of that community is married to a cousin.
There is something fundamentally wrong within the Islamic faith that needs to be corrected and changed. And as soon as we accept and realise that this is about the Islamic faith, the sooner we can start actually attempting to fix the problem, rather then watching our family members/friends being blown up.
Won't happen because the left shout racism at any attempt to address problems within a culture or group that isn't white males, preferably rich old white males
Do you intend to cite anything you've said here? Preferably not from your favourite far-right news source.
Highest unemployment rates amongst other ethnic minority groups - researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06385/SN06385.pdf (Copy paste into browser to download)
Highest income poverty levels - www.poverty.org.uk/reports/ethnicity.pdf
Highest welfare/benefits dependence - http://www.bbc.co.uk/staticarchive/c9cdd28b85164f7a7895039b66a0c9b2ed98088b.png
Muslims form 14.6% of the prison population despite a general population of 4% - researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04334/SN04334.pdf (Copy paste into browser to download)
Poorest educational attaintment rates of all minorities - http://blog.policy.manchester.ac.uk...ational-attainment-of-ethnic-minority-groups/
Lowest median income and lowest household income of all ethnic groups - http://www.poverty.org.uk/06/index.shtml
Please tell me if you would like more, i have a lot more.